Afganistan, WTF?

[Accountable]

If there were a " bang head against the fucking wall smiley " I'd use it right about now.

Here ya go.

 

[Guyzerr]

Here ya go.

It doesn't work with copy and paste. Please point me in... fuck it. I'll find my own but thanks anyway.

 

[Accountable]

It doesn't work with copy and paste. Please point me in... fuck it. I'll find my own but thanks anyway.

Oh I HATE it when that happens. The way I got it originally was to copy & save it to my hard drive, then attach it to the post.

 

[Guyzerr]

Oh I HATE it when that happens. The way I got it originally was to copy & save it to my hard drive, then attach it to the post.

Ya I figured that. Stupid smiley rules. I kinda like mine as well though cuz it's in German. I hope he doesn't think I'm a Nazi lover because of it though.

 

[kelvin070]

Obama told the UN general assembly yesterday that America will no longer play supercop. Probably will pullout instead of fighting a losing battle in the mountains without any experience. The Iraq battle field is a world of difference.
US general warns of Afghanistan defeat unless 30,000 new troops go in.............

 

[Pabst]

Obama told the UN general assembly yesterday that America will no longer play supercop.

that's one thing i can support him on 100%

we need to stop trying to be the world police and stand as more of a shining example instead of trying to create chain stores of our form of government all over the world. this aint no McDemocracy. (i know we're a republic, just play along)

people should want to be like us, not be turned into us. the difference is vast and highly significant.

 

[MoonOwl]

Yet, we won't stop signing those billions and billions in defense checks....

 

[nova]

Yet, we won't stop signing those billions and billions in defense checks....

We decided long ago that we don't want to pay the price for war in excessive blood. That means military second to none in terms of quality of troops, training and equipment. Quality troops, training and equipment costs lost of $$$ especially in any significant numbers...

 

[MoonOwl]

We decided long ago that we don't want to pay the price for war in excessive blood. That means military second to none in terms of quality of troops, training and equipment. Quality troops, training and equipment costs lost of $$$ especially in any significant numbers...

Nova, I was referring to the multi-billion dollar checks we send to our friends overseas.

While our Veterans sleep on our streets here at home.

As for our own Troops, I will not start a rant here about how this past administration treated our Troops as expendable items for their own personal gain.

 

[nova]

Nova, I was referring to the multi-billion dollar checks we send to our friends overseas.

While our Veterans sleep on our streets here at home.

As for our own Troops, I will not start a rant here about how this past administration treated our Troops as expendable items for their own personal gain.

Are you talking about foreign military aid? If not I'm confused by what you mean :dunno:

 

[MoonOwl]

p.s... with the talk of other nations Troops also involved..... As we treated all involved as expendable items.

 

[Guyzerr]

Nova, I was referring to the multi-billion dollar checks we send to our friends overseas.

While our Veterans sleep on our streets here at home.

As for our own Troops, I will not start a rant here about how this past administration treated our Troops as expendable items for their own personal gain.

While you are at it make sure you mention the schools they are building over there while the ones back home are falling apart, understaffed, not enough equipment etc, etc. I'm thinking our citizens should be reminded of that stuff once in a while.

 

[MoonOwl]

Are you talking about foreign military aid? If not I'm confused by what you mean :dunno:

Yes I was referring to the billions of dollars we send to other nations every year for their defense. When those nation have their own nuclear weapons and can take care of themselves, it seems rather wasteful to me.

As I said above, especially when our Veterans are sleeping in the streets, being denied health care, etc.

Clear?

 

[MoonOwl]

While you are at it make sure you mention the schools they are building over there while the ones back home are falling apart, understaffed, not enough equipment etc, etc. I'm thinking our citizens should be reminded of that stuff once in a while.

hehehehehehehehehehe...... very freaking true Guy. But as I said, I'm striving not to go on a rant.

It pisses me the frell off. Isn't good for my blood-pressure and it's getting close to my bedtime.

I will say that until we get vote-fraud under control not a damn thing will change as our politicians do not have to be held accountable to us.

Wouldn't it be nice if most Americans knew that instead of believing it's all SourGrapes just as those same politicians depend on. gggrrrrrr........

Enough from me for tonight..:surrender

 

[nova]

Yes I was referring to the billions of dollars we send to other nations every year for their defense. When those nation have their own nuclear weapons and can take care of themselves, it seems rather wasteful to me.

As I said above, especially when our Veterans are sleeping in the streets, being denied health care, etc.

Clear?

Yep, thats what I thought you meant. The way our vets are treated is shameful in a lot of instances.

 

[alice in chains]

it is extremely shameful...in Dallas a Vietnam veteran was threatened to be thrown out of the HOA for having a Vietnam veteran sticker on his car..."it lowers the property value"

 

[Minor Axis]

Secrets From Inside the Obama War Room- Newsweek.

Interesting read if you want to better understand the relationship between the Office of the President and the Military. The President may be in charge, but this does not mean he automatically runs the show. He must take charge. Whether you believe in Obama or not, he is a capable leader.

In the meantime it was important to remind the brass who was in charge. Inside the National Security Council, advisers considered what happened next historic, a presidential dressing-down unlike any in the United States in more than half a century. In the first week of October, Gates and Mullen were summoned to the Oval Office, where the president told them that he was “exceedingly unhappy” with the Pentagon’s conduct. He said the leaks and positioning in advance of a decision were “disrespectful of the process” and “damaging to the men and women in uniform and to the country.” In a cold fury Obama said he wanted to know “here and now” if the Pentagon would be on board with any presidential decision and could faithfully implement it.


“This was a cold and bracing meeting,” said an official in the room. Lyndon Johnson had never talked to Gen. William Westmoreland that way, or George H.W. Bush to Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf. Presidents Kennedy, Carter, and Clinton had all been played by the Pentagon at various points but hadn’t fought back as directly. Now Obama was sending an unmistakable message: don’t toy with me. Just because he was young, new, a Democrat, and had never been in uniform didn’t mean he was going to get backed into a corner.


Mullen described himself as “chagrined” after the meeting. He had always felt strongly about the importance of civilian control of the military, and in 2008 had delivered a message to the armed forces reminding all service personnel to stay out of politics. Now he and Gates pledged support and told the president that the conduct would change, and it did. On Oct. 5, Gates said in a speech to the Association of the United States Army that it was “imperative” that generals provide their advice “candidly but privately.” (He felt the White House was just as guilty of damaging leaks as the Pentagon, and he hoped his message of discretion was heard there, too.) Mullen and Joint Chiefs vice chairman Gen. James Cartwright stopped selling the McChrystal plan and told Petraeus and McChrystal to stop talking publicly until the policy deliberations were resolved. “They swore loyalty,” said one senior civilian official. “And we chose to believe them.”

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Credence Clearwater Revival:

Yeh, some folks inherit star spangled eyes,
ooh, they send you down to war, Lord,
And when you ask them, how much should we give,
oh, they only answer, more, more, more, yoh,

 

[Alien Allen]

What liberal crap site did you get that from?

Cause I aint buying it.

Oh I believe the part about Obama being pissed off. Narcissists like to think everything revolve around them and make it know time and again.

I don't buy the rest of the crap where the prior presidents were wimps to the pentagon

 

[Minor Axis]

What liberal crap site did you get that from?

Cause I aint buying it.

Oh I believe the part about Obama being pissed off. Narcissists like to think everything revolve around them and make it know time and again.

I don't buy the rest of the crap where the prior presidents were wimps to the pentagon

Lol. It's your right not to buy it if you don't want to. Btw, I stated my source. I truly believe that W did not have the smarts to tell the military anything in particular but get that guy who tried to kill my Dad!

 

[Alien Allen]

as if Alter is an unbiased source