A Question of logic and objectivity

[retro]

OK, this was mainly a general discussion, but I really need to know your opinion about this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0&has_verified=1

They acted in accordance with their rules of engagement... they were fired on, they spotted an RPG, and they engaged. As far as the shooting of the van and injuring the children, they had no way of knowing that there were children in the van, and they didn't know the intentions of the people in the vehicle other than getting the bodies.

 

[garatoxicallie]

They acted in accordance with their rules of engagement... they were fired on, they spotted an RPG, and they engaged. As far as the shooting of the van and injuring the children, they had no way of knowing that there were children in the van, and they didn't know the intentions of the people in the vehicle other than getting the bodies.

They never knew the intentions, so why did they engage fire?

I see you just not objective, and stereotyped, you are justifying what they did, and, for no reason, taking the side of the murderer soldiers, by the way, it wasn't an RPG, and was never confirmed to be. I f they found it, they'd say it.

 

[garatoxicallie]

You're not even making sense anymore. The Palestinians started both Intifadas, and purposefully targeted civilians during them. Sounds like it's the other way around, Israel was defending itself and its citizens. Just like they've been doing since the inception of the modern state of Israel.

Israel was never the israelian's land, then after things were settled and lands were divided, Israel kept invading and stealing more lands.

 

[garatoxicallie]

You justified so-called "suicide" bombers... they're nothing more than murderers. So yes, you're justifying murder. In regards to the video, yes I watched the video... and all I heard was a lecturer screaming about how his parents were killed in concentration camps so he has the right to condemn Israel.

So, what Israel is doing is not to stop bombing, Actually, the bombing stopped about 4 years ago and no one ever does it, seems like they lost hope, but Israel, in 2008, killed civilians and used forbidden weapons.
What for? the bombing stopped, you are justifying, yourself, but with false reasons that can never be believed, nor said, by someone who has a mental capacity of some value.

 

[Peter Parka]

When you talk like a cunt, you are a cunt

 

[dt3]

I just depicted the prophet Mohammed. Come and get me. I'll PM you my address.

 

[dt3]

By the way, bring some friends.

 

[garatoxicallie]

Stereotyped terrorists.

 

[Accountable]

You're not even making sense anymore. The Palestinians started both Intifadas, and purposefully targeted civilians during them. Sounds like it's the other way around, Israel was defending itself and its citizens. Just like they've been doing since the inception of the modern state of Israel.

That's the one thing I can't get past. You write it like it just happened, without any conflict or discomfort, as if Israel was born & that land created from nothing. The only hypothetical I can come up with that might equate to this is: imagine if we had lost WW2 and the Axis Powers decided to give the Louisiana Purchase back to France. France moved people in and force Americans to leave their homes and abandon their land. I think I'd take issue with that.

 

[retro]

Stereotyped terrorists.

are you calling us terrorists? :24:

 

[Minor Axis]

When u attack Black people,
they call it racism. When you attack Jewish people, they call it
anti-semetism.When you attack women, they call it sexism.When u attack
homosexuality,they call it intolerance. When you attack your Country,
they call it treason.When you attack a religious sect, they call it hate.
...But...when you ...attack...the... Prophet Muhammad, they call it freedom
of speech!


Is it that all of these things are doing the right thing, and Prophet Muhammad is the wrong thing, or it's the opposite, because I am sure one of them is wrong?

I take it you're Muslim? What country do you live in? (Just trying to gain some perspective on your perspective.)

Attack, criticize, it depends on what is said or physically done. Criticizing any religious group using a sound basis for critique is free speech. What kind of attack on the Prophet Muhammad are you referring to?

 

[garatoxicallie]

are you calling us terrorists?

Not u all, just who can't speak and always want it off point and support hatred, just like the post under this one.

 

[Peter Parka]

Here's my picture of Muhammad.:thumbup

 

[garatoxicallie]

That's the one thing I can't get past. You write it like it just happened, without any conflict or discomfort, as if Israel was born & that land created from nothing. The only hypothetical I can come up with that might equate to this is: imagine if we had lost WW2 and the Axis Powers decided to give the Louisiana Purchase back to France. France moved people in and force Americans to leave their homes and abandon their land. I think I'd take issue with that.

Exactly Accountable, and if the American people killed and defended or blew themselves up, and you want to call them terrorists, you have to call the French people terrorists first.

 

[garatoxicallie]

I take it you're Muslim? What country do you live in? (Just trying to gain some perspective on your perspective.)

Attack, criticize, it depends on what is said or physically done. Criticizing any religious group using a sound basis for critique is free speech. What kind of attack on the Prophet Muhammad are you referring to?

Al kinds of attack, Minor Axis.

 

[Minor Axis]

Al kinds of attack, Minor Axis.

You are only going to make headway in this forum if and when you can talk specifics, not generalities, and of course if you have a sound basis to argue.

It's a response to what happens to them.
If I attack you and kill you children and so on, all I can expect is you blowing me up, I'd be lucky if we die together.
By the way, when they low themselves up, all they are thinking of in most cases is revenge, because you started it.

Hard core rationalization on your part. In many cases innocent women and children of local descent are blown to pieces, not Americans (the enemy). It becomes a power struggle between groups, nothing really religious about it other than the corruption of religion. I'm thinking of the bombs that go off in Iraq. Supporters of such atrocities manipulate others into thinking God is going to give them a big thumbs up in heaven. "Good job blowing the hell out of your fellow man! Here, get your rocks off with a couple of virgins..." If I believed in heaven and hell, I'd say it's much more likely based on the act, they will be the ones burning for their stupidity.

 

[garatoxicallie]

You are only going to make headway in this forum if and when you can talk specifics, not generalities, and of course if you have a sound basis to argue.




Hard core rationalization on your part. In many cases innocent women and children of local descent are blown to pieces, not Americans (the enemy). It becomes a power struggle between groups, nothing really religious about it other than the corruption of religion. I'm thinking of the bombs that go off in Iraq. Supporters of such atrocities manipulate others into thinking God is going to give them a big thumbs up in heaven. "Good job blowing the hell out of your fellow man! Here, get your rocks off with a couple of virgins..." If I believed in heaven and hell, I'd say it's much more likely based on the act, they will be the ones burning for their stupidity.

Look again at my last answer, and you'll know what sound basis I have to argue.




It's not religious. in Islam, if you lose hope in God and suicide you actually kill one's self and treated as if you killed someone else. But they defend their land, they have no army, they have to defend it. If you kill my sister and mom and dad and all brothers(which is the case with all Palestinians), all you can expect from me is killing you, and if I can't, I'd blow myself up, well, maybe I would and maybe I wouldn't but if I were them I don't know what the issue would be.

However, if you die as a martyr, you get your virgins, it's the religion they belong to.
But to blow yourself up, is something I consider out of bravery and religion., because they don't kill themselves to get rid of life, they do make the ones who still live, have a life.

 

[Veronica]

this conversation is closed!!

 

[Veronica]

check out this thread please

http://www.offtopicz.net/showthread.php?t=19267