A Question of logic and objectivity

[garatoxicallie]

When u attack Black people,
they call it racism. When you attack Jewish people, they call it
anti-semetism.When you attack women, they call it sexism.When u attack
homosexuality,they call it intolerance. When you attack your Country,
they call it treason.When you attack a religious sect, they call it hate.
...But...when you ...attack...the... Prophet Muhammad, they call it freedom
of speech!


Is it that all of these things are doing the right thing, and Prophet Muhammad is the wrong thing, or it's the opposite, because I am sure one of them is wrong?

 

[Springsteen]

When you attack women, they call it sexism

No no they don't. It's called physical violence. Sexism is the belief that one has that a paticular sex is inferior to another.

And the attacking black people point could be turned around to a black man attacking an asian man. Same principle.

As for them being wrong, well all the aforementioned things are wrong. But the very last thing, that's subjective. If you like the Prophet and someone attacks him then you will see that as wrong, same with thinking it's ok if you agree with attacking/making fun of it.

 

[ATKU2]

1: Some of the things you have said are completely off...
2: Muhammad is either your "God" per se, or your belief, but you don't need to be all about him/her and bring up the freedom of speech concept.

Overall man, ok topic to bring up..
Bad way to say it..
You should look though historical books and conjur up some explainable ideas.

by the way to OTZ.

 

[Zorak]

I'm going to exercise my free speech, and say Muhammed is probably the greatest conman to have ever lived.

Comes down from a mountain bearing the Qu'Ran, which God has handily written and handed over previously, and proclaims himself the one true prophet who God speaks through, and that these are the rules that all must obey, all of which are taken from the Torah.

I'm only half way through the Qu'Ran though

 

[hart]

You obviously have an agenda. When you start a thread with a lot of negatives....that's what you will probably garner. I don't think you are particularly objective.....just sayin'

 

[porterjack]

and when Mars Attacks they call it a B Movie

 

[garatoxicallie]

1: Some of the things you have said are completely off...
2: Muhammad is either your "God" per se, or your belief, but you don't need to be all about him/her and bring up the freedom of speech concept.

Overall man, ok topic to bring up..
Bad way to say it..
You should look though historical books and conjur up some explainable ideas.

by the way to OTZ.

Muhammad is God??????????????????????????????????????????
It suggest you pay a visit to wikipedia, no one ever said he was a god, it's an issue and needs to be discussed.
I have read enough history books, the issue is that the almost the whole western society have false information regarding other nations and they don't read much about it.

 

[ATKU2]

Muhammad is God??????????????????????????????????????????
It suggest you pay a visit to wikipedia, no one ever said he was a god, it's an issue and needs to be discussed.
I have read enough history books, the issue is that the almost the whole western society have false information regarding other nations and they don't read much about it.

Muhammad is "a" "God".

It's another term for "that" "God"...

In my family... "God" is called "God"....
Not Shiva, Not Muhammad, not none of that... God is generally referred to as "God".

 

[retro]

I'm going to exercise my free speech, and say Muhammed is probably the greatest conman to have ever lived.

Comes down from a mountain bearing the Qu'Ran, which God has handily written and handed over previously, and proclaims himself the one true prophet who God speaks through, and that these are the rules that all must obey, all of which are taken from the Torah.

I'm only half way through the Qu'Ran though

I'd say that he ranks right up there with Joseph Smith

 

[porterjack]

i thought he was a phrophet of Allah

 

[garatoxicallie]

I'm going to exercise my free speech, and say Muhammed is probably the greatest conman to have ever lived.

Comes down from a mountain bearing the Qu'Ran, which God has handily written and handed over previously, and proclaims himself the one true prophet who God speaks through, and that these are the rules that all must obey, all of which are taken from the Torah.

I'm only half way through the Qu'Ran though

He didn't come from a mountain, nor bore a book...would you please tell me where you get these information?
By the way God didn't write it, I suggest you read more about it please.
If he claims to be one true prophet, why did he make it clear that he is not the first prophet?
His name was mentioned in the Torah, so why do you say claim?
What do you exactly mean by you being only half way through the Qur'an?
If you mean that you study Qur'an, you should know that he mentioned other Prophets.

 

[garatoxicallie]

No no they don't. It's called physical violence. Sexism is the belief that one has that a paticular sex is inferior to another.

And the attacking black people point could be turned around to a black man attacking an asian man. Same principle.

As for them being wrong, well all the aforementioned things are wrong. But the very last thing, that's subjective. If you like the Prophet and someone attacks him then you will see that as wrong, same with thinking it's ok if you agree with attacking/making fun of it.

You mean it's called anti-feminism? Still the same issue...What was said in the beginning is not the issue, it's a means and not an end.
Since you came to the end, why is it the subjective thing?
Are you being subjective?

 

[porterjack]

I'd say that he ranks right up there with Joseph Smith

without whom we may never have had the Osmonds

 

[retro]

Muhammad is "a" "God".

It's another term for "that" "God"...

In my family... "God" is called "God"....
Not Shiva, Not Muhammad, not none of that... God is generally referred to as "God".

You seriously need to get your facts straight... in the Muslim faith Muhammad is Allah's last Prophet, and Allah is God.

Another interesting fact, Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the same God.

 

[Springsteen]

Nope. I don't follow the God known as Mohammed specifically because of course I don't follow that religion, but I don't hate it because I really have no reason to.

It's subjective, in terms of hate/like, because as I said, one person may follow that particular religion and if they see it being disrespected (in their opinion) they will be angry with a certain person/group. On the same token if someone sees/hears about someone else disrespecting Mohammed (doesn't have to be that, could be anything, but that's the example we're working with here) they might be happy because they see that as a good thing.

 

[Zorak]

He didn't come from a mountain, nor bore a book...would you please tell me where you get these information?
By the way God didn't write it, I suggest you read more about it please.
If he claims to be one true prophet, why did he make it clear that he is not the first prophet?
His name was mentioned in the Torah, so why do you say claim?
What do you exactly mean by you being only half way through the Qur'an?
If you mean that you study Qur'an, you should know that he mentioned other Prophets.

I haven't got my copy of it to hand so I can't really debate it with you.

And of course I know the other prophets, however many hundreds there are.

The things I mentioned, I read in the Qu'Ran. I'll be back at home in a few days, so I'll post what I find. Along with the name of the translation I used.

Edit: Also, how would Muhammed have been mentioned in the Torah? That's at least 500 years before Islam even registered anywhere.

 

[garatoxicallie]

You obviously have an agenda. When you start a thread with a lot of negatives....that's what you will probably garner. I don't think you are particularly objective.....just sayin'

I am objective, as a matter of fact I am against discrimination at all it's forms, it's why I wonder why is it always someone or something that are out of the rule.
For example, I had an argument with someone from Israel, and was asking him why Palestinian citizens and children are killed, while Israel does everything ever wanted, while you condemn Palestinians because they defend their country, and his answer was(they are anti Semitists ) I said that semitic includes Arabs and jews and Amharic, Arabic, Aramaic, Akkadian, Ge'ez, Hebrew, Phoenician, Maltese, Tigre and Tigrinya among others(copied from wikipedia) then he said we do what ever we want and we are the only semitic race, we hate everybody and we will rule the world and US will help, and we will do everything and we will distort Quran as we distorted the Torah, and no law can ever stop us, then he blocked me, lucky me I only remember these FACTS.
Why do you think he sees it as this, they can do what ever they want because they are so, and no body can judge them.

 

[garatoxicallie]

Muhammad is "a" "God".

It's another term for "that" "God"...

In my family... "God" is called "God"....
Not Shiva, Not Muhammad, not none of that... God is generally referred to as "God".

Muhammad is a prophet, where do your family belong to, I am not asking a personal question but I mean the cultural background of your family?

 

[garatoxicallie]

I'd say that he ranks right up there with Joseph Smith

The Torah mentioned Muhammad as the last Prophet.

 

[garatoxicallie]

i thought he was a prophet of Allah

He is.