A law dealing with child abduction

[Sneakiecat]

They would never release the names of the kidnappers to the general public.

I am talking about a more rare occurrence, For example:

A guy who needs money and sees the opportunity to kidnap a kid and does it on impulse. After thinking about it, he decides he doesn't want to risk life in prison for money for a ransom. If he had the choice of murdering the kid and possibly being charged with murder in the future or returning the kid safely and having no chargers, what do you think he would choose?

Even if this law only saved ONE kid it would be worth it.

First, it would be a hell of a lot easier to rob a store than to kidnap a kid. Plus the sentence would be a lot less, I would imagine. Second, kids are typically kidnapped for a reason (murder, rape, what have you). I seriously doubt someone would change their mind after taking a kid.

 

[dt3]

So you're choosing the offender over the victim. AKA you would rather send an offender to prison then save the victims life.

No, I would not rather see the child die. But letting someone completely off the hook for committing a violent felony is absolutely ridiculous.

Some kidnappers might find it getting to hot and heavy, and just want out. This would give them a second option to simply killing the child.

How about the option to turn themselves in, hoping for a reduced sentence if they provide information that helps locate the child?

 

[Goat Whisperer]

oh that would make me feel comfortable knowing i could be living next to someone who abduted a chilld but returned them.....THAT TIME

next kid might not be so lucky since he/she would be free just because he returned the first kid safely

They would probably be a registered sex offender (so you could see that they had done SOMETHING on the registry) They would also be closely monitored and on probation for the rest of their lives.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

No, I would not rather see the child die. But letting someone completely off the hook for committing a violent felony is absolutely ridiculous.


How about the option to turn themselves in, hoping for a reduced sentence if they provide information that helps locate the child?

A scared criminal will most likely opt to simply kill the child rather then turn themselves in hoping for a reduced sentence that they aren't guaranteed... how many times has an abductor chosen to kill a child over return them? How many have chosen to return over kill? Not many. And not many will unless if they are guaranteed immunity.

 

[Abcinthia]

I'm not saying he doesn't deserved to be punished--just that I would rather see the child come back home physically unharmed and psychologically heal-able over seeing the perpetrator go to prison. Yes, I would rather see both, the child come home AND the abductor go to prison, but in most instances we don't get both, and usually we end up with the latter.

I'm sure it would make the child feel so much better that their abductor was let off the hook and could be anywhere.

And if the law isn't punishing the person who kidnapped the child, what about hate mobs taking the law into their own hands? Sure the names might not be put out there but if the abductor was someone who lived in the neighbourhood or someone the child knew well, it could easilly get out.

 

[GuesSAngel]

Kidnapping of Jaycee Lee Dugard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would really like someone to go to her kidnappers face and say...'oh hey no problem, thanks for returning her. don't worry about raping her repeatedly and making her bear children...you're free to go man'! really...does this make any sense?!?!

you're just giving a field day to kidnappers. Please take our children, do whatever you want to them and then return them to us and nothing will happen to you.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

First, it would be a hell of a lot easier to rob a store than to kidnap a kid. Plus the sentence would be a lot less, I would imagine. Second, kids are typically kidnapped for a reason (murder, rape, what have you). I seriously doubt someone would change their mind after taking a kid.

Like I said they would do it on impulse. Most people aren't exactly logical when doing on something on impulse.

But wouldn't you like to give them the option to return the kid in case they had changed their mind?

 

[Goat Whisperer]

Kidnapping of Jaycee Lee Dugard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would really like someone to go to her kidnappers face and say...'oh hey no problem, thanks for returning her. don't worry about raping her repeatedly and making her bear children...you're free to go man'! really...does this make any sense?!?!

you're just giving a field day to kidnappers. Please take our children, do whatever you want to them and then return them to us and nothing will happen to you.

Pretty sure that's a terrible example since Jaycee was obviously sexually abused.

 

[Abcinthia]

A scared criminal will most likely opt to simply kill the child rather then turn themselves in hoping for a reduced sentence that they aren't guaranteed... how many times has an abductor chosen to kill a child over return them? How many have chosen to return over kill? Not many. And not many will unless if they are guaranteed immunity.

But there are so many types of, and reasons for kidnap! So many kids get kidnapped by one parent from the other. A few years back a father kidnapped his daughter from England and took her to Pakistan to live with him.

And then there are times where kids are kidnapped to be sold to a family who want a certain type of child.

These are kidnaps that don't normally end up in murder.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

I'm sure it would make the child feel so much better that their abductor was let off the hook and could be anywhere.

And if the law isn't punishing the person who kidnapped the child, what about hate mobs taking the law into their own hands? Sure the names might not be put out there but if the abductor was someone who lived in the neighbourhood or someone the child knew well, it could easilly get out.

Once again, the abductor would be on probation and the child would be assured safely from future attacks from the same abductor.

They could be put into protective custody.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

But there are so many types of, and reasons for kidnap! So many kids get kidnapped by one parent from the other. A few years back a father kidnapped his daughter from England and took her to Pakistan to live with him.

And then there are times where kids are kidnapped to be sold to a family who want a certain type of child.

These are kidnaps that don't normally end up in murder.

I didn't say that this would ever or could ever prevent all types of kidnappings from ending in murder, in fact, I said it wouldn't. But there might be a few or even just one child saved this way. And that would be worth it.

 

[Sneakiecat]

Like I said they would do it on impulse. Most people aren't exactly logical when doing on something on impulse.

But wouldn't you like to give them the option to return the kid in case they had changed their mind?

Sure, let them return the child but not punishing them solves nothing. Putting them on a list solves nothing either. How many times have you heard of a sex offender moving and the police having no idea where they are? How many of them are repeat offenders? How many times would you let them take children and then let them go before you say enough?

 

[GuesSAngel]

Pretty sure that's a terrible example since Jaycee was obviously sexually abused.

pretty sure it's a great example since she was kidnapped...what do you think happens to these kids? i doubt it's all teaparties.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

Sure, let them return the child but not punishing them solves nothing. Putting them on a list solves nothing either. How many times have you heard of a sex offender moving and the police having no idea where they are? How many of them are repeat offenders? How many times would you let them take children and then let them go before you say enough?

Repeat offenders would be put into prison.

 

[dt3]

A scared criminal will most likely opt to simply kill the child rather then turn themselves in hoping for a reduced sentence that they aren't guaranteed... how many times has an abductor chosen to kill a child over return them? How many have chosen to return over kill? Not many. And not many will unless if they are guaranteed immunity.

Then why don't we do the same thing for people who are going to rape and kill somebody, but change their mind after the rape? Hell, drunk drivers never MEANT to hurt anybody, might as well let them go too.

How many kidnappers kidnap a child with the intent of returning them? I'm willing to bet that in most cases, not very many. They're abducted for a reason. I believe the vast majority are kidnapped by parents with some sort of custody dispute. Is that person really going to give the kid back? No. I'm also willing to bet that the vast majority of kidnappers who aren't in that group commit the kidnapping planning to kill the child regardless of what happens.

Show me some statistics to prove otherwise.

 

[Sneakiecat]

Once again, the abductor would be on probation and the child would be assured safely from future attacks from the same abductor.

They could be put into protective custody.

So you would punish the family by forcing them to move, change their life, have police escort so the kidnapper could walk free because "he didn't hurt the child"?

 

[Sneakiecat]

Repeat offenders would be put into prison.

So it's OK once but not twice?

 

[Goat Whisperer]

pretty sure it's a great example since she was kidnapped...what do you think happens to these kids? i doubt it's all teaparties.

I am talking about a specific abduction this would help.

You can't just throw out any example. Especially an example that would have nothing to do with this law if it was put into place. Jaycee's abductor obviosly would have been charged because she was sexually abused. Therefore that example has nothing to do with this thread.

That's like me making a thread saying we should legalize marijuana and you saying meth kills people so no that type of drug shouldn't be legalized :24:

 

[dt3]

Repeat offenders would be put into prison.

So, the first time you kidnap a child, it's a freebie. The second time it's a crime? :24: This would just give them MORE incentive to kill the second child!!!

 

[Zorak]

You want to reward criminals instead of punish them.

Yeah, good luck pitching that in debate.