10 y/o girl arrested for using knife to cut steak

[SRC]

I think they should get more serious about it.

I mean .. for god's sake .. if they don't .. everyone is gonna be bringing them "in their lunch box" .. and not everyone is gonna be cutting steak with them.

Makes for a pretty good excuse though, huh?

Someone's always gotta find a loophole.

 

[Maulds]

I'm not confusing this with someone bringing a knife to school to potentially use as a weapon, and I'm not condoning what she did but to bring cops out and cuff a child and drag her out of the school over that is overkill big time.

I'm in no way saying the kid and parents didn't screw up big time.

 

[Mase]

The more illegal it is, the more encouraged kids will do it.

 

[gLing]

Well See that right there explains why you do not see it as a bad thing. I would NEVER have taken a knife nor be allowed to take a knife to school i mean really whatever happened to a sandwich for lunch?
I understand you see the punishment as a bad thing why does a child deserve to be taken away by authorities and charged however as a parent i see it as stupid to even allow your child to consider taking a knife to school, thats like telling them its ok to strap some c4 to their chest but make sure they dont set it off.

That is a bit of an extreme comparison don't you think? C4 is not used as a utensil for your food.

The punishment that was given was IMO enough to scare that child and her parents into letting her do something stupid like that again. As harsh as it may sound these things are set by the government to teach people a lesson its just a shame it happened to someone so young.

I understand what you are saying but believe the same lesson could have been taught without the police arresting the little girl.

 

[Keight]

That is a bit of an extreme comparison don't you think? C4 is not used as a utensil for your food.

Well hey a comparison is a comparison and at the time its the first thing that came up, however to light the c4 you may need a match which is a utensil for cooking food..... But its ok to cook your food at school just don't start a fire? :unsure:

 

[SRC]

I'm not confusing this with someone bringing a knife to school to potentially use as a weapon, and I'm not condoning what she did but to bring cops out and cuff a child and drag her out of the school over that is overkill big time.

I'm in no way saying the kid and parents didn't screw up big time.

If this were the first case of this happeneing .. I might be more inclined to lean this direction .. but since it's not. I don't see any reason for there to not be full on consequences.

The girl isn't going to be worse for the wear .. except she will forever think TWICE about breaking rules, I betcha that.

She's gonna hold her mother responsible (if in fact her mother/father did pack the knife, I'm just not all to sure a parent did it .. I have a real gut feeling that the kid thought she'd take it because maybe perhaps last time she didn't have one) for the embarrasment.

I bet they didn't put handuffs on the kid .. hell handcuffs won't hold a child .. unless it's one fat wristed little kid.

 

[Mase]

I'm not confusing this with someone bringing a knife to school to potentially use as a weapon, and I'm not condoning what she did but to bring cops out and cuff a child and drag her out of the school over that is overkill big time.

I'm in no way saying the kid and parents didn't screw up big time.

:homo:

 

[gLing]

Well hey a comparison is a comparison and at the time its the first thing that came up, however to light the c4 you may need a match which is a utensil for cooking food..... But its ok to cook your food at school just don't start a fire? :unsure:

lol Well fire can easily get out of control so no I would not let a child cook their own food at school.

 

[Keight]

lol Well fire can easily get out of control so no I would not let a child cook their own food at school.

So can a knife...... :unsure:

 

[gLing]

So can a knife...... :unsure:

Not like fire, not even close. If she makes a mistake while cutting her steak she might hurt her fingers. If she makes a mistake with fire she could burn the whole school down and kill several people as a result.

 

[SRC]

Not like fire, not even close. If she makes a mistake while cutting her steak she might hurt her fingers. If she makes a mistake with fire she could burn the whole school down and kill several people as a result.

Nice way to ignore what you yoursef said and twist it into what you need now to rebuff your own earlier statements.

Nice try, but it won't work.

METHOD OF MURDER

84 Shooting w/gun (50.3%)
41 Stabbing / Slashing (24.6%)
22 Strangling (13.2%)
09 Bludgeoning (05.4%)
03 Stomping (01.8%)
03 Drowning (01.8%)
02 Fire Burning (01.2%)
02 Smoke Inhalation (01.2%)
01 Superglue (00.6%)

Indiana Death Row Statistics

HMMMM .. well would you look at those stats .. danged ole safe knives!

 

[gLing]

Nice way to ignore what you yoursef said and twist it into what you need now to rebuff your own earlier statements.

Nice try, but it won't work.



HMMMM .. well would you look at those stats .. danged ole safe knives!

Nice twist but a girl who slips with her knife while cutting her steak is not going to mistakenly stab 10 students in the process. If she slips with fire then that is a whole different thing. :smiley24:

 

[SRC]

Nice twist but a girl who slips with her knife while cutting her steak is not going to mistakenly stab 10 students in the process. If she slips with fire then that is a whole different thing. :smiley24:

Slips with fire? HMM .. I find it highly unlikely that someone will slip with a fire before they slip with a knife. Now that being said I know what you meant, but what you meant isn't what you implied.

Now who is being illogical?

It only takes once for a kid to turn around and point a knife in the direction of another student (doesn't have to be in anger or ill will or intentional) and the other kid turn around and impale themself on the knife.

OOPPS .. would you look at all that blood .. oh better hurry .. kid is dying.

Personally .. I don't want my kid missing any fingers either. Should the kid who brings a steak knife to school slip and cut my kid's fingers off. I don't want him cut at all actually. I also don't want the POSSIBILITY of him being cut there either.

And I'm ok with WHATEVER punishment (outside of death, because that's just ridiculous) they come up with to curb it from happening.

See, I don't have to worry about this punishment happening to my kid ..as MY kid won't ever take a knife to school. So the law doens't affect me . I know how to follow rules that could land me or my child in jail.

 

[Tim]

You guys have got to be kidding me, right? This has to be a joke thread...

Where the hell has common sense gone? Having the police called and having her hauled away to juvie hall for bringing a steak knife to school?
The second the teacher saw her using it to cut her steak up with it common sense should have prevailed... It was a mistake on the part of the girl/parent. She should have been taken to the office and her parents called in to explain the rules and punishment. That is all!

She didn't bring a weapon to school, she brought a utensil to school.
Weapon = Any instrument or device for use in attack or defense in combat, fighting, or war.
Utensil = Any of the instruments or vessels commonly used in a kitchen, dairy, etc.
Big difference.

Zero tolerance policies do more damage than good once they removed common sense from the equation.

And for those of you that think a 10 year old is old enough to use a steak knife... what rock have you been living under? At 10 years old a child is old enough to use a steak knife... What age do you stop cutting up their food for them? When they are 18, an adult?

This is complete bullshit. Nobody uses common sense anymore. I understand the need to keep our kids safe in school. I agree with a zero tolerance to bringing weapons to school, but that wasn't the intention here. She didn't bring it to school because she wanted to do harm, she brought it to cut her steak.

 

[SRC]

And for those of you that think a 10 year old is old enough to use a steak knife... what rock have you been living under? At 10 years old a child is old enough to use a steak knife... What age do you stop cutting up their food for them? When they are 18, an adult?

This is complete bullshit. Nobody uses common sense anymore. I understand the need to keep our kids safe in school. I agree with a zero tolerance to bringing weapons to school, but that wasn't the intention here. She didn't bring it to school because she wanted to do harm, she brought it to cut her steak.

Wait til yours is 10 and the risk of injury by a child is there. Mine doesn't get to stay home alone .. he isn't allowed to use things that can cut his fingers off either .. and he's certainly not allowed to do so around other peoples children unsupervised (<- most importantly).

She doesn't have to INTEND to do harm, for harm to happen though .. that is the point.

Again, if this was the first case of this happening I would agree it was extreme .. but it's not the first .. it's like the 20th or so (might be more) .. the parents AND kid knew she wasn't supposed to have it there.

A "talking to" doens't do anything anymore .. parents don't control their children at home and they don't want anyone else telling them what to do either it seems.

I can't wait to see what my kids generation turns out to be .. GOD (or who or whatever you believe in) help us all is all I gotta say. We're doomed.

 

[Pudding Time]

A 10 year old does not need punishment for this. She needs to be taught the dangers of knives and told not to do it again. Maybe her parents should receive a fine. But that's about it.

 

[Tim]

Wait til yours is 10 and the risk of injury by a child is there. Mine doesn't get to stay home alone .. he isn't allowed to use things that can cut his fingers off either .. and he's certainly not allowed to do so around other peoples children unsupervised (<- most importantly).

She doesn't have to INTEND to do harm, for harm to happen though .. that is the point.

Again, if this was the first case of this happening I would agree it was extreme .. but it's not the first .. it's like the 20th or so (might be more) .. the parents AND kid knew she wasn't supposed to have it there.

A "talking to" doens't do anything anymore .. parents don't control their children at home and they don't want anyone else telling them what to do either it seems.

I can't wait to see what my kids generation turns out to be .. GOD (or who or whatever you believe in) help us all is all I gotta say. We're doomed.

I've been through this twice with my children since my daughter is 18 and my son is 12. And I am a very watchful parent who cares about their safety and wellbeing. But on the same note, I didn't keep them in a protective bubble. At 10 years old both my children handled a steak knife very well. There was no lost fingers or stabs in the gut. They used it to cut their food and that was all. Hell, at 10 they even took showers alone. I know it's dangerous. They could have drowned or got burned by hot water even. They even could take the trash to the curb at that age without me worrying that they would wonder off and get lost....

You can't wait to see what your kids generation turns out to be .. ?

They will turn out to be a bunch of pansies that won't be able to think for themselves when they are presented with any dangerous situation. They won't be able to think for themselves because all common sense would be removed from their lives.....

 

[thrawn]

this thread scares me, just wow

 

[SRC]

I've been through this twice with my children since my daughter is 18 and my son is 12. And I am a very watchful parent who cares about their safety and wellbeing. But on the same note, I didn't keep them in a protective bubble. At 10 years old both my children handled a steak knife very well. There was no lost fingers or stabs in the gut. They used it to cut their food and that was all. Hell, at 10 they even took showers alone. I know it's dangerous. They could have drowned or got burned by hot water even. They even could take the trash to the curb at that age without me worrying that they would wonder off and get lost....

You can't wait to see what your kids generation turns out to be .. ?

They will turn out to be a bunch of pansies that won't be able to think for themselves when they are presented with any dangerous situation. They won't be able to think for themselves because all common sense would be removed from their lives.....

I guess we will jus thave to agree to disagree .. I wasn't left alone, I dind't handle knives as a child .. and I grew up just fine. I've never been in jail (except that once and it was a clerical error and I was released free of charge) and i respect the law. I know why laws re inplace and I know why they have the punishments they have.

Kids today think they don't have to mind .. because no one wants laws/rules enforced .. because GOD FORBID someoen tell their child what to do .. OH the horror!

These kids don't have common sense because it isn't being taught to them .. they are being taught by their parents .. that rules/laws are stupid and dumb and over used.

It's no wonder our jails are full, and will continue to get even fuller.

 

[Maulds]

Was the girl in the wrong...yes. Were her parents in the wrong...absolutely. Was it necessary to arrest her...I don't think so. Honestly couldn't in-school suspension and a parent-teacher conference have resolved the matter?

You guys have got to be kidding me, right? This has to be a joke thread...

Where the hell has common sense gone? Having the police called and having her hauled away to juvie hall for bringing a steak knife to school?
The second the teacher saw her using it to cut her steak up with it common sense should have prevailed... It was a mistake on the part of the girl/parent. She should have been taken to the office and her parents called in to explain the rules and punishment. That is all!
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