10 y/o girl arrested for using knife to cut steak

[gLing]

Plastic knives are not banned from schools .. they have those in the cafeterias.

Depends on the school I guess.

This type of response certainly calls into question administrative thinking.At a middle school in Virginia an equally troubling disciplinary response was enacted when a student brought a knife to school. The knife had been packed by his mother and was to be used to share the youngster's birthday cake. The student was suspended for the action, even though the knife was plastic.

Zero Tolerance

 

[TheOriginalJames]

Think about this now as a parent...

Would you even let your TEN YEAR OLD use a steak knife at home? Or would you cut up their steak for them keeping the incredibly sharp knife out of their control?

As a non parent but an uncle on this, I would NOT even let my ten year old control such an object at any given moment and I would store them as high in the kitchen as I could.

Yet these parents gave their child a knife in her lunchbox to take to school that morning.

How irresponsible can you be?

While I don't agree that the child should be charged, I do agree that making a big deal with her will embarass the parents and wake up other not-so-bright grownups to the growing amount of violence that has been happening in this country and keep obvious shit like this from ever happening again.

 

[gLing]

Everyone knows that this type happening has been sensationalized across the media for several years now .. everyone KNOWS they are NOT allowed on school premises andthey are not supposed to send them to school.


How many notes are they supposed to send?

Oh wait, I know .. I guess they can write 1 note explaining to a grieving parent why their child died after being stabbed.

I mean for heaven's sake the girl sitting next to Billy brought the knife to cut her steak up .. it's not Suzie's fault or her parent's fault that Billy stole it and used it after 3rd period to kill Johnny in the bathroom; because Johnny had been making fun of Billy in 1st period for the last month.

:smiley24: please .. knives are NOT needed in schools. There are no instances where they are needed. This is nothing mroe than people not wanting to conform to the rules .. they only want to be able to have them .. because someone says they can't.

People need to GROW UP and get over themselves.

And also .. at age 10 you cannot receive a "felony" .. you cannot be tried as an adult at 10 yrs old.

Yeah ok because there is violence in school lets have the cops drag a 10 year old child off for cutting her steak with a knife.
That'll teach those criminal children to behave. :smiley24:

 

[SRC]

Well good then .. sometimes zero tolerance is needed.

I activated that at my house. I have told my son 5,000 times to keep his video games picked up out of the floor. I told him for the last time a month ago that if I found one laying in the floor, out of it's case (exposed to damage) that I would take it and he might w9uldn't get it back for 3 months.

I now have 5 disks.

Rules are set in place for a reason .. especially when they involve children. You have to set an example for childrne .. in order for them to form the foundation they need to become a law abiding citizen.

If they are not punished for serious offenses .. theyw ill continue to push the envelope on more and more serious things .. eventually coming to the conclusion that "I can do whatever I want, when I want .. and FUCK the rules".

I don't think that is the way children need to learn things.

 

[gLing]

Think about this now as a parent...

Would you even let your TEN YEAR OLD use a steak knife at home? Or would you cut up their steak for them keeping the incredibly sharp knife out of their control?

I wouldn't have a problem with it. My parents let me cut my own food at that age. I never slipped up and stabbed myself or played with it irresponsibly.
I went to a private school and we were allowed to have metal forks and knives. Nobody accidentally cut their own heads off nor did anybody go on a violent rampage.

 

[SRC]

Just because YOU didn't doesn't mean it cannot and has not happened. WITH CHILDREN prevention is key .. it's better to PREVENT IT than have to CORRECT it. You can't fix a dead kid.

Yeah ok because there is violence in school lets have the cops drag a 10 year old child off for cutting her steak with a knife.

That'll teach those criminal children to behave. :smiley24:

I bet she won't bring a knife to school again, will she? I bet no other child in that school will either. LESSON LEARNED

And I'm SURE they DRAGGED her out of the school kicking and screaming :smiley24: .. crying maybe .. but they did not abuse her.

She DID NOT get in trouble for cutting her steak up .. she got in trouble for BRINGING A KNIFE TO SCHOOL. Don't try to play it off as something trivial.

 

[gLing]

Well good then .. sometimes zero tolerance is needed.

I activated that at my house. I have told my son 5,000 times to keep his video games picked up out of the floor. I told him for the last time a month ago that if I found one laying in the floor, out of it's case (exposed to damage) that I would take it and he might w9uldn't get it back for 3 months.

I now have 5 disks.

Rules are set in place for a reason .. especially when they involve children. You have to set an example for childrne .. in order for them to form the foundation they need to become a law abiding citizen.

If they are not punished for serious offenses .. theyw ill continue to push the envelope on more and more serious things .. eventually coming to the conclusion that "I can do whatever I want, when I want .. and FUCK the rules".

I don't think that is the way children need to learn things.

Bad examples. First off this child was not deliberately breaking the rules and I seriously doubt her parents would give her a knife for her lunch knowing the school does not allow it. This is a case of not knowing better so a warning and reminder of the rules would have done the job. Now if they gave her a knife again after that then take stronger actions.
I'm sorry but I see no reason at all to be arresting a 10 year old child because she was cutting her steak with a knife. If she was threatening other children with it then yes, but that is not the case here.

 

[SRC]

How do you know she didn't slip it into her lunch box herself?

 

[gLing]

Just because YOU didn't doesn't mean it cannot and has not happened. WITH CHILDREN prevention is key .. it's better to PREVENT IT than have to CORRECT it. You can't fix a dead kid.



I bet she won't bring a knife to school again, will she? I bet no other child in that school will either. LESSON LEARNED

And I'm SURE they DRAGGED her out of the school kicking and screaming :smiley24: .. crying maybe .. but they did not abuse her.

She DID NOT get in trouble for cutting her steak up .. she got in trouble for BRINGING A KNIFE TO SCHOOL. Don't try to play it off as something trivial.

And what was the purpose for having the knife? To cut her steak. Instead they treated her like she was using it as a weapon and threatening other kids with it.
Their reaction was completely uncalled for.

 

[gLing]

How do you know she didn't slip it into her lunch box herself?

Why would I assume she did?

 

[TheOriginalJames]

and I seriously doubt her parents would give her a knife for her lunch knowing the school does not allow it.

I highly doubt a 10 year old fixed her own steak lunch and climbed the countertops to get a steak knife on her own in the morning. You give a ten year old too much credit for intelligence and common sense in the real world as far as schools and laws.

If she was threatening other children with it then yes, but that is not the case here.

It doesn't matter what she was doing with it. Do you understand this point? It does NOT matter what she was doing with it.

Knife = unnecessary potential weapon.
Gun = unnecessary potential weapon.

These two things have no place in schools, no matter what the intention of them being used is.


Now just agree with me, because you know I'm right.

 

[Keight]

Think about this now as a parent...

Would you even let your TEN YEAR OLD use a steak knife at home? Or would you cut up their steak for them keeping the incredibly sharp knife out of their control?

As a non parent but an uncle on this, I would NOT even let my ten year old control such an object at any given moment and I would store them as high in the kitchen as I could.

Yet these parents gave their child a knife in her lunchbox to take to school that morning.

How irresponsible can you be?

While I don't agree that the child should be charged, I do agree that making a big deal with her will embarass the parents and wake up other not-so-bright grownups to the growing amount of violence that has been happening in this country and keep obvious shit like this from ever happening again.

:homo: Well Said

 

[SRC]

And what was the purpose for having the knife? To cut her steak. Instead they treated her like she was using it as a weapon and threatening other kids with it.
Their reaction was completely uncalled for.

Just because she intended to use it for another purpose .. does that excuse her from breaking rules? I mean come on .. you can't teach children ANYTHING with that train of thought.

I might not INTEND to shoot anyone .. but do you THINK for one second they'll excuse me for trying to bring a gun OR KNIFE on an airplane? HELL NO .. they'd put my ass in jail. I would GET IN TROUBLE .. for what? BREAKING THE RULES.

THis is NO different.

Why would I assume she did?

Why would I assume she didn't? My son trys to sneak stuff to school ALL the time. I check his back pack EVERY morning before he gets ont he bus .. I find ALL SORTS of things he's not supposed to take to school.

I know he's not the only child who does it either.

 

[gLing]

I highly doubt a 10 year old fixed her own steak lunch and climbed the countertops to get a steak knife on her own in the morning. You give a ten year old too much credit for intelligence and common sense in the real world as far as schools and laws.



It doesn't matter what she was doing with it. Do you understand this point? It does NOT matter what she was doing with it.

Knife = unnecessary potential weapon.
Gun = unnecessary potential weapon.

These two things have no place in schools, no matter what the intention of them being used is.


Now just agree with me, because you know I'm right.

I'm sorry but having the cops arrest her I will not agree with. There was no need for it at all. And yes it does matter what she was doing with it. What she was doing with it should determine the reaction the school should have. Waving it around like a weapon? Yes call the police. Cutting her steak? No do not arrest her for it.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

I'm sorry but having the cops arrest her I will not agree with. There was no need for it at all. And yes it does matter what she was doing with it. What she was doing with it should determine the reaction the school should have. Waving it around like a weapon? Yes call the police. Cutting her steak? No do not arrest her for it.

She committed a crime for bringing a knife to school. The simple act of bringing a knife to a school is a crime.

What part of this do you not understand?

 

[gLing]

Just because she intended to use it for another purpose .. does that excuse her from breaking rules? I mean come on .. you can't teach children ANYTHING with that train of thought.

I never said she should be excused for breaking the rules. I said arresting her over something as dumb as this is ridiculous. You can teach a child the rules without going to the extremes all of the time.

 

[SRC]

I'm sorry but having the cops arrest her I will not agree with. There was no need for it at all. And yes it does matter what she was doing with it. What she was doing with it should determine the reaction the school should have. Waving it around like a weapon? Yes call the police. Cutting her steak? No do not arrest her for it.

I guess then .. when kids do anything at school they shouldn't get punished for it? No spankings, no detention .. no suspension.

I mean, if a serious rule like bringing weapons to school should be brushed off with a written note .. who cares if they skip school, have sex in bathrooms, or beat the crap out of each other.

WHO NEEDS RULES!!!! :smiley24:

 

[SRC]

I never said she should be excused for breaking the rules. I said arresting her over something as dumb as this is ridiculous. You can teach a child the rules without going to the extremes all of the time.

So when they have written rules that state : if you bring a weapon to school or make fake bomb threats you will be arrested .. they are just supposed to be idle threats then .. they aren't supposed to follow through when they happen? :confused

 

[Keight]

Mmmmk after reading all of these replies i think the thing you cant seem to get past here Gling is the punnishment and although it may seem a bit harsh to some it seems justified to others, the main point i see is not the punnishment itself but the fact a child brought a knife into a place where Young minds are easily molded and are done so every day, its not as if she took it into a Pub, or lunch room but a school surrounded by others and even though she took it only to cut her lunch and not to commit a crime she still did wrong and should be punnished for entering a place where other children reside with a dangerous weapon.
Put the shoe on the other foot, you have a child and your child comes home and tells you at lucnh today she saw one of her friends cutting her lunch with a steak knife that isnt even allowed to be used at home by children unless supervised by an adult. Would you be pissed? I know i would be not the fact that she simply cut her lunch but kids are kids and are curious and whats to say that after she finished her lunch they all had time to play and they not fully realising the results of their actions played and someone got hurt?

 

[gLing]

She committed a crime for bringing a knife to school. The simple act of bringing a knife to a school is a crime.

What part of this do you not understand?

I do not understand the reaction to it. She is a 10 year old child. She didn't harm anybody with it and she didn't do anything dangerous with it. All they had to do was take it from her and explain to her and her parents you cannot bring this to school. Dragging her off to jail over it is idiotic.