Drug users and tax payers. Is it time to make the pushers pay for the party?

[Greatest I am]

That's a pathetic response... even for you.

I will apologise when or more like if I see the quote.

You might note that I am still waiting so bite me.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

...... This is one of the strange things about the United States ....

One of the things that is mentioned time and time again is that this Country was built on individual liberty ...

... yet then we can't allow chaos by having a "free-for-all" ... the majority want at least some restrictions ...

... yet majority vote doesn't make law always ....

Such a strange phenomenon ... yet it has done very well!

Strange that the land of the free incarcerates more of it's citizens than all other so called free nations.

Yep. It is working well.

Regards
DL

 

[Stone]

That's got nothing to do with freedom, but with property rights. I'd be glad to discuss it in another thread because it's really pretty interesting.

Wouldn't that be anarchy bordering on chaos? Meh, it's your hyperbole I guess you can exaggerate however you want.
Why would you want to outlaw antisocial behavior? We're not even free to like being alone, in your world?

That's got nothing to do with freedom

Only if you're blinded to reality.

Wouldn't that be anarchy bordering on chaos?

Generally, but not specifically in this case.
I'm looking first at the confusion generated by the concept of freedoms with out boundaries as you seem to propose with the term 'Liberty'. Who's 'freedoms' have precedence when there is a conflict? Anarchy is a working agreement with out leaders. In this scenario, Libertarians still argue the right to lead, but limit the boundaries of that leadership.
So in this case, it's a scenario of the chaos of conflicting freedoms that co-habitate a restriction of the boundaries of the imposed leadership.
One feeds on the other. I think chaos does the first round of damage as the ineffectual leadership further degrades society from it's own political traits because correction is limited..

, it's your hyperbole I guess you can exaggerate however you want.

You just don't like the results of critical thinking.

Why would you want to outlaw antisocial behavior?

Like the banking scandal and the invasion of Iraq.....it's tends to destroy a healthy society, or have you been living in a cave the last decade?

We're not even free to like being alone, in your world?

WTF

If you don't like this society and it's benefits, you're free to leave. You are even free to vote for changes. But don't bitch at me because the changes you want aren't agreed upon by a majority vote.

 

[Joe the meek]

All one has to do is to live in a third world country to realize how good citizens of the United States have it.

The reality is NOTHING in life is promised or guaranteed.

 

[Stone]

You seem to class all drug use as drug abuse.

Is drug use always drug abuse in your mind?

Is it drug abuse to have a drink or toast the bride more than once?
Is it drug abuse if a pot smoker has a puff after work?

You forget that the vast majority of all drugs are users with normal lives and that only the unfortunate fall into abuse.

Regards
DL

You seem to class all drug use as drug abuse.

You've reached that conclusion because of at least two factors:

You have issues with reading comprehension as I've pointed out in the past.

It's a way of attacking me. Problem with that is I've been very careful in expressing the issue of drug abuse and discussing only that......the abuse of drugs.
I have been specific, I even posted my thought on medical marijuana.
On the other hand, I've been able to logically show your intentions to prescribe drugs for the purpose of recreation. That was a big loss to your credibility.

You forget that the vast majority of all drugs are users with normal lives.............

(sigh!)
I suggest you start proof reading your posts
Or quit using :24:

That was damn funny and had me rolling out of my chair, but I got the gist.

I'd like to see the vast majority of people in the US remain sane and healthy.
Your arguments to legalize drug abuse do not promote good mental health.

 

[Greatest I am]

""Why would you want to outlaw antisocial behavior? ""

Like the banking scandal and the invasion of Iraq.....it's tends to destroy a healthy society, or have you been living in a cave the last decade?

The way you think, Rosa Parks would have been thrown in jail. Rebellion is good if just.
Where have you been?
You should know this.

Regards
DL

 

[Stone]

The way you think, Rosa Parks would have been thrown in jail. Rebellion is good if just.
Where have you been?
You should know this.

Regards
DL

Again...issues with reading comprehension.
Looks like you are finally conceding that I've whipped your arse till you can't think straight

 

[Stone]

The way you think, Rosa Parks would have been thrown in jail. Rebellion is good if just.
Where have you been?
You should know this.

Regards
DL

Do you understand the concept of anti-social behavior?

Here, let me help you ( you poor soul you )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-social_behaviour
excerpt>

Anti-social behaviour (with or without hyphen) is a behaviour that lacks consideration for others and may cause damage to the society, whether intentionally or through negligence, as opposed to pro-social behaviour, behaviour that helps or benefits the society

Does that help?

How about this one?

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-antisocial-behavior.htm
excerpt>

Antisocial behavior can generally be characterized as an overall lack of adherence to the social mores and standards that allow members of a society to co-exist peaceably

Does that help?

 

[Accountable]

Generally, but not specifically in this case.
I'm looking first at the confusion generated by the concept of freedoms with out boundaries as you seem to propose with the term 'Liberty'.

It's not what propose at all. I suspect that's your fear of giving others the respect you expect for yourself causing the misinterpretation.

Like the banking scandal and the invasion of Iraq.....it's tends to destroy a healthy society, or have you been living in a cave the last decade?

?????????? I've never heard anyone equate being a loner with attacking a sovereign nation. I guess it goes a long way explaining why you're so phobic about liberty, though.

If you don't like this society and it's benefits, you're free to leave. You are even free to vote for changes. But don't bitch at me because the changes you want aren't agreed upon by a majority vote.

Ah the America Love it or Leave it card. I wondered who would pick it up after the rednecks threw it down.
I don't know what you're talking about bitching, though. Nothing in my post was bitching, and I'm not aware of any majority vote making it a felony to be alone. To be sure, it would keep people from straying off the range and getting any thoughts counter to supporting the collective.

 

[Accountable]

Do you understand the concept of anti-social behavior?

Here, let me help you ( you poor soul you )

Anti-social behaviour (with or without hyphen) is a behaviour that lacks consideration for others and may cause damage to the society, whether intentionally or through negligence, as opposed to pro-social behaviour, behaviour that helps or benefits the society

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-social_behaviour
excerpt>


Does that help?

How about this one?

Antisocial behavior can generally be characterized as an overall lack of adherence to the social mores and standards that allow members of a society to co-exist peaceably

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-antisocial-behavior.htm
excerpt>


Does that help?

Don't you think Mrs Parks' actions was seen to fit those definitions, at that time?

 

[Stone]

It's not what propose at all. I suspect that's your fear of giving others the respect you expect for yourself causing the misinterpretation.

?????????? I've never heard anyone equate being a loner with attacking a sovereign nation. I guess it goes a long way explaining why you're so phobic about liberty, though.


Ah the America Love it or Leave it card. I wondered who would pick it up after the rednecks threw it down.
I don't know what you're talking about bitching, though. Nothing in my post was bitching, and I'm not aware of any majority vote making it a felony to be alone. To be sure, it would keep people from straying off the range and getting any thoughts counter to supporting the collective.

It's not what propose at all.

It is until you specify differently.
You speak of 'Liberty' as absolute freedom.
If it isn't, clarify.

I suspect that's your fear of giving others the respect you expect for yourself causing the misinterpretation.

Looks like I piss you off, too
If there is a misinterpretation, it's been because you haven't projected your thought's in a logical manner. ( see below for examples )

I've never heard anyone equate being a loner with attacking a sovereign nation.

I've only seen GIA competitive with your non sequiturs.
I haven't a clue how you related that response to my comment:

Like the banking scandal and the invasion of Iraq.....it's tends to destroy a healthy society.........

(Only in a Pot thread, I suppose )

Ah the America Love it or Leave it card. I wondered who would pick it up after the rednecks threw it down.

I take the refusal to acknowledge the will of a majority vote means that the concept of a democratic society with a republic form of government doesn't suit your politics.
I read Paul's Liberty Defined and reading it closely, sometimes saw that same message.
You are both free to leave if you don't like the outcome of the vote. If not, you'll just have to live with the concept of a civilized society.
Tough break?

I don't know what you're talking about bitching....

Read your own posts

Nothing in my post was bitching,

Read the one you just posted.

and I'm not aware of any majority vote making it a felony to be alone.

wtf
Let me guess....you played football with out a helmet when you were in school?
I haven't a clue where you derived that

To be sure, it would keep people from straying off the range and getting any thoughts counter to supporting the collective.

:24:

You are one funny and interesting individual.

 

[Stone]

Don't you think Mrs Parks' actions was seen to fit those definitions, at that time?

No.

Do you think the struggle for civil rights is anti-social behavior?

 

[The Man]

By controlling access to a higher degree and a little thing that education will provide our children with. The ability to use intelligent use of freedom of choice when they come of age.

Further, the glamor of doing something naughty will be gone and lack of that enticement alone will help reduce demand.

Regards
DL

You need to fix the formatting on that GIA...Who posted what cant be identified

 

[Accountable]

No.

Then you're unwilling or unable to think critically, because it requires some degree of empathy.

Do you think the struggle for civil rights is anti-social behavior?

No, but that's hardly relevant to what the majority (which you apparently place great importance on) thought in 1955.

 

[Stone]

Yes. Many children are into drugs of all kinds thanks to the black market kept in business by prohibition.

Under present uncontrolled systems, people are not aware when children steal their various drugs.
In a controlled or monitored system through the medical establishment, this would be reduced thus allowing children to grow their brains longer before getting into drugs. The older they are before experimenting, the better it is for the addiction rates.

Regards
DL

Yes. Many children are into drugs of all kinds thanks to the black market kept in business by prohibition.

That may be the current pipeline, but your argument for a new pipeline is full of fallacies as previously noted.
Nothing has changed because you keep repeating the same fallacious claims.
Decriminalization addresses the current pipeline and at the same time treats the drug abuser with needful respect.
Your past arguments to legalize prescriptions for recreational use are akin to insanity as a solution to the abuse issue..

Under present uncontrolled systems, people are not aware when children steal their various drugs.

That has been an issue with alcohol and about all you are showcasing is that legal distribution of alcohol isn't working well. Then, to top it off, you argue to do the same with other currently illicit drugs.
Where is the logic? If it doesn't work well with alcohol, why do you think legal access to addictive drugs for the purpose of abuse would fare any better with addictive drugs?
I've given you the example of Portugal's solution of decriminalizing drug abuse and you've yet to provide any evidence or infallible logic that suggests you model of legalization through prescriptions for recreational use, is a better preventative to addiction, especially concerning children.

In a controlled or monitored system through the medical establishment, this would be reduced thus allowing children to grow their brains longer before getting into drugs.

Now you are advocating draconian laws that inhibit a child's interface with his/her environment.
How long do you think that insanity would last? The first time your jackbooted drug officers invade a neighborhood and start rounding up children, I suspect.

The older they are before experimenting, the better it is for the addiction rates.

The reality is you'd be priming them with anticipation for the first day they could legally abuse drugs.

You just aren't making any sense with this prescription based drug abuse model and draconian laws for use/abuse appears to already be a concept that doesn't work well, so why institute it in your already flawed prescription based model?

 

[Mercury]

Strange that the land of the free incarcerates more of it's citizens than all other so called free nations.

Yep. It is working well.

Regards
DL

... we do have an EXTREMELY high incarcerated population, that is for sure!

 

[Accountable]

I've only seen GIA competitive with your non sequiturs.

It's easy (and lazy) to take a piece out of context and call it non sequitur. I've noticed that you use such things as a defense mechanism - a turtle shell to hide in when you run out of actual things to say, so I'll leave you be.

Now put in your last word.

 

[The Man]

... we do have an EXTREMELY high incarcerated population, that is for sure!

Highest per ratio in the world
I dont know if that makes us the worst place or the best?

 

[Mercury]

Highest per ratio in the world
I dont know if that makes us the worst place or the best?

LMAO! Yeah really.

I guess it just depends if one is on the inside or not.

 

[Greatest I am]

You need to fix the formatting on that GIA...Who posted what cant be identified

Your name leads what I wrote and what I quoted.

Regards
DL