Trayvon Martin- Tragedy

[Jaybird]

My comment directed towards All Else Failed had NOTHING to do with race, but with the person killed.

Long story short, making a smart ass comment about the dead boy due to the three ring circus AFTER the fact and of no doing of the victim is plain out disrespectful.

As you've said yourself Jay, we don't know ALL the facts because no one was there.

My comment about not falling for the 'bait' was not necessarily directed at you Joe. And was more a general statement to everyone. The 'race baiters' standing around are getting what they want though. They HAVE turned this whole discussion(in the media) into a story of race. When it never was that night imo.

But in this thread, I think John is the one 'race baiting'. IE, you dont know what it is like being poor and black. That is classic 'bait'

And John's hypothetical also has nothing to do with this discussion. ie, it is how he is turning this discussion into something it was not.

Simply put. John is trolling, using the race card.

John, is no different than Al Sharpton, just on a smaller scale.

 

[Panacea]

My comment directed towards All Else Failed had NOTHING to do with race, but with the person killed.

Long story short, making a smart ass comment about the dead boy due to the three ring circus AFTER the fact and of no doing of the victim is plain out disrespectful.

As you've said yourself Jay, we don't know ALL the facts because no one was there.

No shit. It's not news that people are tired of the "race card" and want to pull polar opposite from the way the media is spinning this, but to mock a dead teenager is the sign of an incredibly poor character. It's not cute, it's not objective, and it's not doing anything to stop the circus.

 

[All Else Failed]

That's real easy to say walking in caucasion shoes.

and what about this bigoted/racist statement John



why do you assume that all whites apparently have it easy because they're white



are you aware of the fact that there are far more whites in shitty socioeconomic conditions than there are blacks right

 

[Joe the meek]

and what about this bigoted/racist statement John



why do you assume that all whites apparently have it easy because they're white



are you aware of the fact that there are far more whites in shitty socioeconomic conditions than there are blacks right

You may not realize it, but you do come across as a racist.

At worst, as Panacea pointed out, having incredibly poor character.

I believe John's point (as far as "walking in caucasian shoes") was that generally speaking, it's easier to get ahead in our society if you're "white". If I'm wrong on assuming John's comment, it is something that I happen to believe myself.

 

[All Else Failed]

Can you name a single racist thing I have said in this thread? Probably not because I haven't said anything racist.


Please tell me how I am of "poor character".

I believe John's point (as far as "walking in caucasian shoes") was that generally speaking, it's easier to get ahead in our society if you're "white"

Which is certainly ridiculous considering how many whites find themselves in terrible socioeconomic situations

 

[Joe the meek]

The sad part is if you have to be told, it won't matter anyway.

I don't think I'm the only one who feels this way.

Just so you know, people being people, you have stupid people and bright people, and skin color usually doesn't play a part in it. However, I'm smart enough to realize that everyone judges others to some extent, some more so than others.

Funny looking at the other thread you started...

 

[All Else Failed]

The sad part is if you have to be told, it won't matter anyway.

so you literally have nothing

Funny looking at the other thread you started...

I posted that thread to point out the hypocrisy of the mass media. The situation in which those two elderly people found themselves in was far worse than Trayvon's, and I think most people would agree. Yet, there is no screeches of racially motivated violence in the story. However, whenever a black is killed by a white (Even though Zimmerman is not really white) it is instantly race-related. This is a pattern clearly seen in the media. Black on white crime is simply not seen a racially motivated while white on black crime almost always is.

 

[Panacea]

well yeah the media has an invested interest in making Tray Tray seem like a little angel

This statement is disrespectful and unnecessary in the discussion of this case from my view. If it struck Joe in a similar way, it must really be bad, because we hardly ever agree about anything.

Others have strongly dissented from the media's lean in this thread without defaming Martin or mocking him. That takes a level of class and maturity I'm not sure you're capable of.

 

[All Else Failed]

This statement is disrespectful and unnecessary in the discussion of this case from my view. If it struck Joe in a similar way, it must really be bad, because we hardly ever agree about anything.

Others have strongly dissented from the media's lean in this thread without defaming Martin or mocking him. That takes a level of class and maturity I'm not sure you're capable of.

Oh please, the media IS making him seem like a little angle by posting pictures of him when he was 13 years old and the like and comparing his weight to Zimmerman's like that makes any difference to whether or not a 6'2'' football player could kick Zimmerman's ass or not.


It is easy to take the moral high ground and try to defame me by calling me immature but in the end you're ignoring the blatant media bias towards Zimmerman. Couple THAT with the fact that the masses want to draw and quarter Zimmerman based on bits and peices of information while the investigation is STILL going on and you have a shitstorm of irrationality. The media and the crowd is not interested in what really went on. They want the Evil Light-Skinned Guy™ (even though he's not even really white) to hang because that is the cultural script that people do not like to stray from. The cultural script says that crime against blacks is almost always racist, and hardly ever the other way around.

 

[Panacea]

Nothing about objecting to you mocking Martin implies a denial of media bias nor the support of abuse towards Zimmerman. Quit reaching.

 

[All Else Failed]

How am I mocking Trayvon by pointing out facts

 

[Panacea]

By referring to him as "Tray Tray"; it's unnecessary and transparently disrespectful.

 

[All Else Failed]

Hardly anything compared to people calling Zimmerman a murderer, fat cracker, or drunken vigilante.

 

[Panacea]

Hardly anything compared to people calling Zimmerman a murderer, fat cracker, or drunken vigilante.

I don't approve of calling him a fat cracker, or calling for his head; it's unacceptable. But at least he is alive.
Regardless of the details of this case, a teenager is still dead and it is a tragedy that deserves bare minimal respect.

 

[Johnfromokc]

You may not realize it, but you do come across as a racist.

Yes he does - BIG time. Others are as well, just more suttle.

At worst, as Panacea pointed out, having incredibly poor character.

And he is by no means the only one in this thread like that.

I believe John's point (as far as "walking in caucasian shoes") was that generally speaking, it's easier to get ahead in our society if you're "white". If I'm wrong on assuming John's comment, it is something that I happen to believe myself.

That was precisely my point Joe. Thank you.

The sad part is if you have to be told, it won't matter anyway.

I don't think I'm the only one who feels this way.

Most latent bigots have no clue they are bigots Joe. Situations like this bring out bigotry where it can easily be seen.

Just so you know, people being people, you have stupid people and bright people, and skin color usually doesn't play a part in it. However, I'm smart enough to realize that everyone judges others to some extent, some more so than others.

The vitriol coming out on this thread toward blacks and all across the internet is a perfect example of that. What makes me SMH the most are the ones who think they are making an intellectual point about race relations in the United States, but who are actually displaying ignorance and bigotry in epic proportion.

 

[Jaybird]

Remember folks. This story really should have had nothing to do with race. I see nothing to make Zimmerman out to be a racist. Nor profiling Martin because of his race.

So the whole discussion of Race in regards to this situation should be moot.

 

[Panacea]

And my criticism of AEF's comment was not about race. Hey I'm not perfect, I mock people and say what I want online like anyone else but that went a bit too far for me. He's just a kid. He's dead, the least I can do is not be a dick about him.

 

[Jaybird]

And my criticism of AEF's comment was not about race. Hey I'm not perfect, I mock people and say what I want online like anyone else but that went a bit too far for me. He's just a kid. He's dead, the least I can do is not be a dick about him.

I am not saying you were doing anything wrong. Just reminding everyone that race really should have never been this story.

And I admit it. Martin is dead. And that is a shame. And I feel for his parents.

And Zimmerman is in hiding and in fear for his life. And could possibly be imprisoned for his actions that day.

We can not bring Martin back to life. But that also does not mean we need to destroy Zimmerman and his family's life MORE than it already has if he did NOT commit a crime. If he did though? Than throw the book at him. If he did not, than so be it.

 

[Panacea]

That's why extremism is so ugly. When situations pull in one extreme I think people overcompensate in the other direction and the middle ground is lost on this holy mission to neutralize the crazy.

 

[All Else Failed]

The only extremists are the ones calling for Zimmerman's head.

Yes he does - BIG time. Others are as well, just more suttle.

Tell me, where are my terrible racist comments in this thread

Thats right, they simply do not exist because I am not a racist. I would be saying the same damn things about this case if Trayvon were a pale-as-shit kid from Wisconsin.

John I'm still waiting on your explanation on your blatantly bigoted comments about how white people have it easy