Though shalt not kill. Would you do so for your God?

[Greatest I am]

So true and the reason I only stick with the facts.

Fact is.
The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

The wage of sin is death. What sin did Jesus do to earn his wage?

Regards
DL

 

[doombug]

So you think that a policy of do as I say and not as I do is a good policy for a law maker do you?
Seems like you have ignored this question before. Hmm.

Regards
DL

Nope, I'm just clearing up the confusion. The Commandment is for mankind not God.

The whole idea is that Man doesn't have the right to take human life based on his own justification.

 

[doombug]

Fact is.
The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

The wage of sin is death. What sin did Jesus do to earn his wage?

Regards
DL

Whose definition of immorality? Yours perhaps? Here is the problem: You wish you were God.

 

[Greatest I am]

Nope, I'm just clearing up the confusion. The Commandment is for mankind not God.

The whole idea is that Man doesn't have the right to take human life based on his own justification.

Exodus 13
1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine.

Judges 11:29-40: Jephthah Burns His Daughter

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Nope, I'm just clearing up the confusion. The Commandment is for mankind not God.

The whole idea is that Man doesn't have the right to take human life based on his own justification.

So you think that a policy of do as I say and not as I do is a good policy for a law maker do you?

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Whose definition of immorality? Yours perhaps? Here is the problem: You wish you were God.

The wage of sin is death. What sin did Jesus do to earn his wage?

You fear your own answers. Pathetic.

Regards
DL

 

[doombug]

And you see no problem with a religion with a deity that would create beings and then pull a stunt like that upon its own "creation"?

By asking a question like that are you trying to distract from the fact you made an incorrect comparison?

What would be the problem with that "stunt"?

My point is that all societies have had their laws. Murder in the name of your god was legal at one time - even after the alleged birth of the mythical "Christ".

And all societies eventually fall.

Murder in the name of God was legal under secular law which is yet another flaw with man's law.

Every historically documented society has had laws prohibiting all manner of crimes against other human beings, even the Pagans. The Pagans had laws and Paganism is as old as humankind - and Christianity has taken up many Pagan traditions like Christmas and Easter.

Or maybe it all goes back to the first murder. Maybe the idea that murder is wrong is a carry over of the mark God put on Cain after he killed Abel. Which was before any civilization existed.

Ever heard of the crusades?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

Maybe if those Christians had not gone into Muslim lands and slaughterd men, women and children, Islam (another mythological human created religion) might not be so radical and bent on revenge to this day.

The Crusades? You mean the man made war over land?
How is that relevant? Did God order it done? You must have some inside info.

There are no facts in the bible.

Then I guess all those ancient relics that have been found are just figments of the imagination.

 

[doombug]

The wage of sin is death. What sin did Jesus do to earn his wage?

You fear your own answers. Pathetic.

Regards
DL

You are assuming "the wage of sin is death" applies to Jesus. This is your mistake. Just because Jesus died doesn't mean he was a sinner.

 

[Johnfromokc]

By asking a question like that are you trying to distract from the fact you made an incorrect comparison?

Nope. If you cannot see the problems with the superstition and man made deity you believe in, then you'll never see the logic. Tim was right - religion and facts are not compatible.

What would be the problem with that "stunt"?

Oh silly me...What could possibly be wrong with being ready and willing to kill your own child in the name of the deity that created you?

And all societies eventually fall.

And Jesus won't save your ass then either.

Murder in the name of God was legal under secular law which is yet another flaw with man's law.

And it would still be had cooler secular heads not prevailed.

Or maybe it all goes back to the first murder. Maybe the idea that murder is wrong is a carry over of the mark God put on Cain after he killed Abel. Which was before any civilization existed.

Complete fiction. Pretty sad you carry that kind of guilt around with you your entire life and pass it along to your children.

The Crusades? You mean the man made war over land?
How is that relevant? Did God order it done? You must have some inside info.

Hmmmm...could I be breaking through the religious fog here? A man made war, inspired by a man made religion in the name of a man made deity. You're absolutely right.

Then I guess all those ancient relics that have been found are just figments of the imagination.

What ancient relics? None of the archeological findings of the era biblical events were alleged to have taken place proves any of the biblical fables are true. Lots of artifacts have been found in the middleeast - the problem is none of them prove or even corroborate any biblical character or deity. Where is Noah's Ark? The Arc of the covenant? Chariots in the Red Sea?

There is ZERO historical evidence of a man named Jesus. Check this link out:

http://nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

Sorry doombug, but you are doomed to hearsay. The only thing you have is faith in a story that was passed down from ancient nomadic sheep and goat herders. You have zero verifiable facts or historical documents to rely upon.

 

[doombug]

Nope. If you cannot see the problems with the superstition and man made deity you believe in, then you'll never see the logic. Tim was right - religion and facts are not compatible.

Tim said religion and logic. Not religion and facts.But when it comes to both religion and facts you can't get either straight.

Oh silly me...What could possibly be wrong with being ready and willing to kill your own child in the name of the deity that created you?

Abraham created God? Hmmm...I could have sworn it was the other way around.

And Jesus won't save your ass then either.

Where did I claim he would?

And it would still be had cooler secular heads not prevailed.

That is pure speculation. How do you know this for sure? Maybe people got wind of the commandment "Thou shalt not kill".

Complete fiction. Pretty sad you carry that kind of guilt around with you your entire life and pass it along to your children.

Complete fiction? How do you know that?

I never claimed to carry any guilt.

Hmmmm...could I be breaking through the religious fog here? A man made war, inspired by a man made religion in the name of a man made deity. You're absolutely right.

Do you have proof this war was commanded by God?

Man made deity? I think you have that backwards. But since you put so much faith in man it must be a frightening thought that people can be so easily fooled. Seems it would be easier just to have faith in God.

What ancient relics? None of the archeological findings of the era biblical events were alleged to have taken place proves any of the biblical fables are true. Lots of artifacts have been found in the middleeast - the problem is none of them prove or even corroborate any biblical character or deity. Where is Noah's Ark? The Arc of the covenant? Chariots in the Red Sea?

There is ZERO historical evidence of a man named Jesus. Check this link out:

http://nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

You mean that Roman Empire they mention in the Bible doesn't exist?!! We've been duped!

Sorry doombug, but you are doomed to hearsay. The only thing you have is faith in a story that was passed down from ancient nomadic sheep and goat herders. You have zero verifiable facts or historical documents to rely upon.

And all you have is very limited human intelligence that is not capable of grasping everything in the universe. If you can't understand it then it doesn't exist.

Unlike you I realize how limited man's capabilities of understanding are. It wasn't long ago that people thought the world was flat only to find out that everything man thought about the universe was wrong.

I'll take believing in God over that any day.

 

[Panacea]

The only thing I can ever let go is someone who says "I know there is no proof of god or anything of these stories, but I believe them anyway". Ok. You're choosing to believe something, and though I wouldn't choose something like that for myself, it is what it is. But when the words fact and bible are used together, it's just....all credibility is gone. It's clear in that case the person fancies themselves an intellectual, but of what? Loose stories, loose findings? An ancient Chicken Soup for the Mass Murderer's Soul turned into Chicken Soup for the Insecure Dissociative Personality Disorder's Soul? Jesus surely didn't speak English, if nothing else. It doesn't have to necessarily negate the idea of a creator but it surely muddies the credibility of this book.

 

[doombug]

The only thing I can ever let go is someone who says "I know there is no proof of god or anything of these stories, but I believe them anyway". Ok. You're choosing to believe something, and though I wouldn't choose something like that for myself, it is what it is. But when the words fact and bible are used together, it's just....all credibility is gone. It's clear in that case the person fancies themselves an intellectual, but of what? Loose stories, loose findings? An ancient Chicken Soup for the Mass Murderer's Soul turned into Chicken Soup for the Insecure Dissociative Personality Disorder's Soul? Jesus surely didn't speak English, if nothing else. It doesn't have to necessarily negate the idea of a creator but it surely muddies the credibility of this book.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artifacts_significant_to_the_Bible

 

[Johnfromokc]

The only thing I can ever let go is someone who says "I know there is no proof of god or anything of these stories, but I believe them anyway". Ok. You're choosing to believe something, and though I wouldn't choose something like that for myself, it is what it is. But when the words fact and bible are used together, it's just....all credibility is gone. It's clear in that case the person fancies themselves an intellectual, but of what? Loose stories, loose findings? An ancient Chicken Soup for the Mass Murderer's Soul turned into Chicken Soup for the Insecure Dissociative Personality Disorder's Soul? Jesus surely didn't speak English, if nothing else. It doesn't have to necessarily negate the idea of a creator but it surely muddies the credibility of this book.

"An ancient Chicken Soup for the Mass Murderer's Soul turned into Chicken Soup for the Insecure Dissociative Personality Disorder's Soul?":willy_nilly:

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! :24:

That's a repper if there ever was one - but the rep nazi won't let me right now.

 

[doombug]

There are no facts in the bible.

Well Johnfromokc you are the one that used the words facts and bible together. So the joke is on you. hahaha!

Besides the Romans are mentioned in the Bible so you are saying they were mythical. Again, I guess all those artifacts from the Roman Empire are just figments of the imagination.

 

[BornReady]

Look at Pol Pot, one of the biggest mass murderers possibly of all time. Maybe if he had not been an atheist and believed the 10 commandments he wouldn't have butchered so many innocent people.

Maybe you and Pol Pot needed the ten commandments to tell you not to murder people but I was able to figure that one out on my own. I'd be happy to give you moral advice if you ever need it.

 

[doombug]

Maybe you and Pol Pot needed the ten commandments to tell you not to murder people but I was able to figure that one out on my own. I'd be happy to give you moral advice if you ever need it.

I doubt you figured that out on your own unless you were raised by wolves completely isolated from any human society. But just in case you were raised by wolves kudos on learning to walk upright on your own as well....assuming you walk upright that is.

 

[Johnfromokc]

Well Johnfromokc you are the one that used the words facts and bible together. So the joke is on you. hahaha!

Now is the time to bring back the facepalm pics:

Besides the Romans are mentioned in the Bible so you are saying they were mythical. Again, I guess all those artifacts from the Roman Empire are just figments of the imagination.

Wine, sex, assault, murder and war are mentioned in the bible too. Most fiction novels parallel reality to some extent.

Do you have any clue why the Romans are mentioned in the bible? You don't know much about the early church do you? You really should study religious history before you start attempting to prove something that is unprovable.

There is no archeoligical or historical evidence that proves Yaweh or Jesus exist.

The only honest statement you can make at this point is that you choose to believe on "faith" in spite of the lack of fact, logic, reason or evidence. Because nobody can argue with faith - so if you choose to believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny, have at it.

 

[BornReady]

I doubt you figured that out on your own unless you were raised by wolves completely isolated from any human society. But just in case you were raised by wolves kudos on learning to walk upright on your own as well....assuming you walk upright that is.

Seriously, I didn't need anyone to tell me. Believe it or not, it's not a hard concept for most of us. And wolves aren't as bad as you think either. They're actually pretty social. It's unusual for a wolf to kill a member of their pack.

 

[Tuffdisc]

The wage of sin is death. What sin did Jesus do to earn his wage?

You fear your own answers. Pathetic.

Regards
DL

Oh here you go again, just typical you, insulting people....the main reason why you do it is because you want to intimidate people into wanting your waffling to be listened too. It only proves that you know you are wrong

 

[Tuffdisc]

One would first have to actually believe the work of fiction known as the bible is true to make a statement like this.

How do you know I'm not god? Does god not work in mysterious ways?

Quite the contrary, there are people who really do study the Bible, without bias towards atheism or religion, who actually believe there is actual truth in the Bible