Just wow.

[Tim]

But incriminate yourself against what? If I'm randomly pulled over they're not going to target me for drug trafficking or murder....they're doing their job.

Everything is so over-scrutinized these days.

What if you were pulled over because a car like yours was just used in a crime down the street?
What if one of your stupid friends left something illegal in your back seat and you didn't know about it?
What if there was a robbery in the area and you fit the description?
What if the cop isn't an honest cop?

There are too many what if's to just give up your right to remain silent.

What if he was pulling you over because you didn't use your turn signal and when he asks you "do you know why I pulled you over?" you say, speeding?
Well guess what, you just admitted that you were speeding and a simple warning over not using your turn signals just turned into a speeding ticket.

 

[Tim]

[video=youtube_share;6wXkI4t7nuc]http://youtu.be/6wXkI4t7nuc[/video]

It's long, but it clearly explains everything. Even as told by a police officer

 

[GoldDust Woman]

So you guys have rules about being a douche bag to police. Excellent.

"You guys"?

Ummm, there are douche bags all over the globe... not just in America.

 

[Aeval]

What if you were pulled over because a car like yours was just used in a crime down the street?
What if one of your stupid friends left something illegal in your back seat and you didn't know about it?
What if there was a robbery in the area and you fit the description?
What if the cop isn't an honest cop?

There are too many what if's to just give up your right to remain silent.

What if he was pulling you over because you didn't use your turn signal and when he asks you "do you know why I pulled you over?" you say, speeding?
Well guess what, you just admitted that you were speeding and a simple warning over not using your turn signals just turned into a speeding ticket.

What if my house was broken into?
What if someone I love was beaten/raped/murdered?

I would want the police to do their jobs by investigating every possible lead.

 

[Tim]

What if my house was broken into?
What if someone I love was beaten/raped/murdered?

I would want the police to do their jobs by investigating every possible lead.

So if your house was broken into, all of your neighbors should give up their rights so the police can search their homes for your stuff?

 

[Aeval]

You're stretching, buddy.

If there was a good reason to look at one of my neighbours...hell yes...I want them to go into their house. Properly. I didn't say anywhere that rules are not to be followed, there's procedures in place for a reason.

 

[Johnfromokc]

I think my post below got lost on the last page. Are you guys aware of the police drug planting scandal trial going on in New York right now?

I see motorists DAILY on I-35 north of Oklahoma City pulled over by the Oklahoma County Sheriff's Department being searched. Travellers with all their luggage pulled out onto the side of the highway while the cops fish through their vehicles. Rarely do you ever read or hear about an actual drug bust on the news, so it is evident they are fishing and essentially harrassing motorists.

Go back a few posts and you'll see my daughters story of a cop asking to search her vehicle. She did exactly as I instructed her to do and the cop let her go without searching.

Yes, here in the United States, the land of alleged "freedom and liberty", law enforcement will violate your rights in a heartbeat if you are ignorant of them.

Cops plant drugs more often than is realized. Here's a recent police scandal in New York:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/14/nyregion/those-drugs-they-came-from-the-police.html

 

[Tim]

You're stretching, buddy.

If there was a good reason to look at one of my neighbours...hell yes...I want them to go into their house. Properly. I didn't say anywhere that rules are not to be followed, there's procedures in place for a reason.

Absolutely there are rules to be followed. And that's exactly my point. You have rights and the police should NEVER violate them, they need to follow the rules.

 

[redliner]

"You guys"?

Ummm, there are douche bags all over the globe... not just in America.

Some people in this thread. Not America. Sorry for confusion.

 

[Dana]

So she was doing her job??? *shrugs*

I mean, yeah, it sucks...but if he had no tag she was pretty much just doing her job. Sorry it pisses you off, though.

this...

 

[AUFred]

Hard to get a tag when the sell was not complete until after 5 pm on a Friday.

 

[Tim]

Hard to get a tag when the sell was not complete until after 5 pm on a Friday.

Then he shouldn't drive the car until he does.

 

[skyblue]

in my experience the police react to how you talk to them,i got pulled doing 70 in a 40 through a red light.......so i engaged in small talk about how i know how they're just doing their jobs and that it was late at night and i'd just finished work.....just got a bollocking and off you go

 

[Aeval]

I think for the most part, you're right.

I got stopped a few months ago and discovered my license had expired...for quite some time. I was so embarrassed and of course it was a day I had forgotten my phone.

I wasn't allowed to drive and we were on the side of the highway...too far from anything to walk. So he let me use his phone....then after several failed attempts to contact anyone he actually let me drive back to my office and wait there for someone to get me. He gave me a fine...but I deserved it, I was breaking the law.

 

[Kyle B]

I think for the most part, you're right.

I got stopped a few months ago and discovered my license had expired...for quite some time. I was so embarrassed and of course it was a day I had forgotten my phone.

I wasn't allowed to drive and we were on the side of the highway...too far from anything to walk. So he let me use his phone....then after several failed attempts to contact anyone he actually let me drive back to my office and wait there for someone to get me. He gave me a fine...but I deserved it, I was breaking the law.

It all comes down to the fact that there are cops who have good intentions, and those that may not. Just like any profession. The problem is, there's an imbalance, a cop has power. So, if you find yourself in a situation where you have a not-so-stellar-and-honest police officer, you're at a disadvantage. If you don't know you're rights, then you're at a double disadvantage.

This is all especially true if you're wrongly accused of something.

 

[Natasha]

That is a joke right ? If you have nothing to hide or to find then what is the big deal ? I can understand if you are actually in a rush for something important (Baby born, Wedding, Family emergency and yadda yadda yadda). Never ? Come on why be difficult. There just doing there job.

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I have nothing to hide, but I also know that the police are well w/in their rights, when you consent to a search, to completely dismantle your car and they aren't responsible for putting it back together, either.

Fact is, most police assume you don't know your rights and are banking on it when they ask you to let them do certain things.

No different, IMO, than doctors...the majority of patients take what their doctor says as the gospel and don't question them.

I think we have 10 days?? Could be longer, I've forgotten.

That sounds short. Here it's a month.

And I'm sorry, Natasha, but this was not "doing her job." Her job is to protect and serve. She was doing neither. It was correct of her to pull the driver over. Once she discovered the circumstances, the right thing to do would have been to say "Alright... be sure you get your paperwork straight as soon as you possibly can and have a nice day." Nothing more was needed.

Traffic enforcement IS a police duty...no matter how much it pisses people off. She let him go w/o a ticket...she gave him a stern talking to. And honestly, if it's THAT big of a deal all this shit needs to be said to her immediate supervisor instead of us...IJS. I got pulled over for doing 38 in a 30 the other night and supposedly crossing the center line. I politely advised the trooper that I promised I was not drunk as I had just got done working security at the fair. He asked for my license which I had forgotten at the house. He told me to sit tight...went and ran my tag and license...came back and told me that he was letting me go w/ a warning but for me not to leave my house w/o my license again. I thanked him and was on my way. No big deal...he was doing his job.

What if you were pulled over because a car like yours was just used in a crime down the street?

You get checked out and found you don't fit the description...no harm, no foul. *shrugs*

What if one of your stupid friends left something illegal in your back seat and you didn't know about it?

You need to find better friends.

What if there was a robbery in the area and you fit the description?

Again, you'd be checked out and let go.

What if the cop isn't an honest cop?

Then you might be fucked...and that would suck.

What if he was pulling you over because you didn't use your turn signal and when he asks you "do you know why I pulled you over?" you say, speeding?
Well guess what, you just admitted that you were speeding and a simple warning over not using your turn signals just turned into a speeding ticket.

That would make you an idiot...IJS.

Then he shouldn't drive the car until he does.

This. Seems to be the point that has been overlooked in all of this.

I know this wasn't meant to be a debate thread, but it's brought about some decent discussion.

 

[Dana]

It all comes down to the fact that there are cops who have good intentions, and those that may not. Just like any profession. The problem is, there's an imbalance, a cop has power. So, if you find yourself in a situation where you have a not-so-stellar-and-honest police officer, you're at a disadvantage. If you don't know you're rights, then you're at a double disadvantage.

This is all especially true if you're wrongly accused of something.

This is also true. Sadly some people think being a police officer gives them leeway to be a complete and utter douchebag. I've talked and interacted with them. But I do know those who are great people. My grandfather was a police officer up until he retired 10 years ago.

 

[Dana]

but it helps if you follow the rules and play it safe.

 

[Dana]

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I have nothing to hide, but I also know that the police are well w/in their rights, when you consent to a search, to completely dismantle your car and they aren't responsible for putting it back together, either.



No different, IMO, than doctors...the majority of patients take what their doctor says as the gospel and don't question them.



That sounds short. Here it's a month.



Traffic enforcement IS a police duty...no matter how much it pisses people off. She let him go w/o a ticket...she gave him a stern talking to. And honestly, if it's THAT big of a deal all this shit needs to be said to her immediate supervisor instead of us...IJS. I got pulled over for doing 38 in a 30 the other night and supposedly crossing the center line. I politely advised the trooper that I promised I was not drunk as I had just got done working security at the fair. He asked for my license which I had forgotten at the house. He told me to sit tight...went and ran my tag and license...came back and told me that he was letting me go w/ a warning but for me not to leave my house w/o my license again. I thanked him and was on my way. No big deal...he was doing his job.



You get checked out and found you don't fit the description...no harm, no foul. *shrugs*



You need to find better friends.



Again, you'd be checked out and let go.



Then you might be fucked...and that would suck.



That would make you an idiot...IJS.



This. Seems to be the point that has been overlooked in all of this.

I know this wasn't meant to be a debate thread, but it's brought about some decent discussion.

:24: I'm sorry your answers made me giggle

 

[Joe the meek]

This is also true. Sadly some people think being a police officer gives them leeway to be a complete and utter douchebag. I've talked and interacted with them. But I do know those who are great people. My grandfather was a police officer up until he retired 10 years ago.

Your grandfather had an excuse, what's yours?