Are Western Churches and Governments promoting hate?

[mazHur]

Well usually they act like they are looking for pity than something else. I know I'm generalising but in my country I never heard of an action started by homosexuals which was supposed to gain them any kind of equality. You know, as I see it they have equal rights and only thing they do is band up with posters make something called "March of Tolerance" and block the whole city transport wise and nobody really knows what the hell do they want.

:clap: :24:

So since you know so much about what homosexuals desire maybe you could please tell me on which field they feel they are not treated equally ?

:cheers: :24:

I would also be interested to know about their ''sufferings'' so I can 'sympathise' with them more fervently!!

 

[Greatest I am]

Well usually they act like they are looking for pity than something else. I know I'm generalising but in my country I never heard of an action started by homosexuals which was supposed to gain them any kind of equality. You know, as I see it they have equal rights and only thing they do is band up with posters make something called "March of Tolerance" and block the whole city transport wise and nobody really knows what the hell do they want. So since you know so much about what homosexuals desire maybe you could please tell me on which field they feel they are not treated equally ?

Marriage, spousal benefits and whatever the so called straights have in rights. Equality.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

:clap: :24:



:cheers: :24:

I would also be interested to know about their ''sufferings'' so I can 'sympathise' with them more fervently!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlyh2XbbtsM

Regards
DL

 

[Tuffdisc]

I think that GIA is promoting hate, he can't learn to live in love and stop being judgemental on others

 

[Greatest I am]

I think that GIA is promoting hate, he can't learn to live in love and stop being judgemental on others

Your God is a bitch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5vlco4yvSc

Regards
DL

 

[Tuffdisc]

Your God is a bitch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5vlco4yvSc

Regards
DL

There you go, evidence if you ever needed it :thumbup

 

[mazHur]

Regards
DL

Who's going to listen to her, she's not a prophetess! She can have her reasons but those are NOT acceptable
universally. Unfortunately I am at a loss to understand why gays generally get readily corny and wistful when someone expresses his/her opinion against them or their conduct???

 

[mazHur]

There you go, evidence if you ever needed it :thumbup

What a waste of bandwidth!

 

[BornReady]

Gays just want equality under the law. They also don't want to be bullied by assholes. Is that so much to ask?

 

[GoldDust Woman]

Society is who are doing the attacking of their rights. They just want equality and an end to institutionalized discrimination and denigration without just cause.

Regards
DL

It's sad to say, but, all good things come, to those who wait. The gay community has come leaps and bounds in the past 20 years. Give it time, man... give it time. Look what we white people did to the black people... it's STILL taking time to turn it around.

 

[Greatest I am]

It's sad to say, but, all good things come, to those who wait. The gay community has come leaps and bounds in the past 20 years. Give it time, man... give it time. Look what we white people did to the black people... it's STILL taking time to turn it around.

I agree.

Remember that for evil to grow, all good people need do is nothing.
Are you suggesting that you and I do nothing but wait?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBShN8qT4lk

Regards
DL

 

[mazHur]

It's sad to say, but, all good things come, to those who wait. The gay community has come leaps and bounds in the past 20 years. Give it time, man... give it time. Look what we white people did to the black people... it's STILL taking time to turn it around.

Realistic....
:24:.........

 

[mazHur]

Real Christians Say ‘No’ to Bullying and Homosexual Behavior



COLUMBUS, Ohio – A coalition of pro-family leaders today urges Christian families to be faithful to biblical morality and discerning in the face of false and irresponsible accusations. Christianity and traditional values are not the cause of teen suicides, and attempts to link the two are deceptive and will ultimately harm children.
“Gay” activists nationwide are fueling an effort to indict traditional moral values as “guilty until proven innocent” in some bullying incidents involving teens. Their proposed solutions end up sexualizing teens at young ages into known high-risk behaviors and silencing concerned parents. Now, the U.S. Department of Education seems to be joining the effort, setting the stage for implicating traditional morality as the cause of some cases of bullying, and using the force of federal government to force pro-homosexual, pro-”transgender” indoctrination programs onto local schools.
“Just say no” to these outrageous and unsubstantiated claims, said Buddy Smith, Executive Vice President, American Family Association (www.afa.net). “Bullying can be prevented without endorsing homosexual behavior. Activist adults essentially are saying that American parents who want their kids to avoid high risk homosexual sex acts and remain abstinent until traditional marriage, are harming kids. This is preposterous, and local parents and communities need to resist enforced political correctness.”
Authentic Christians will remember several key concepts from Scripture:
1. Homosexual behavior is always a sin, God’s plan for sexuality is male/female marriage, and God has not changed His mind about this (Genesis 19; Leviticus 18:22; Matthew 19:4-6; Romans 1:24-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11)
2. Jesus described marriage as the union of one man and one woman, and that humans were created male and female “from the beginning.” Gender change is a defiant and ungrateful sin against God’s direction and design (Matthew 19:4-6)


http://christiangovernance.ca/news/...ullying-tactic-against-christianity-condemned

 

[Peter Parka]

Real Christians Say ‘No’ to Bullying and Homosexual Behavior



COLUMBUS, Ohio – A coalition of pro-family leaders today urges Christian families to be faithful to biblical morality and discerning in the face of false and irresponsible accusations. Christianity and traditional values are not the cause of teen suicides, and attempts to link the two are deceptive and will ultimately harm children.
“Gay” activists nationwide are fueling an effort to indict traditional moral values as “guilty until proven innocent” in some bullying incidents involving teens. Their proposed solutions end up sexualizing teens at young ages into known high-risk behaviors and silencing concerned parents. Now, the U.S. Department of Education seems to be joining the effort, setting the stage for implicating traditional morality as the cause of some cases of bullying, and using the force of federal government to force pro-homosexual, pro-”transgender” indoctrination programs onto local schools.
“Just say no” to these outrageous and unsubstantiated claims, said Buddy Smith, Executive Vice President, American Family Association (www.afa.net). “Bullying can be prevented without endorsing homosexual behavior. Activist adults essentially are saying that American parents who want their kids to avoid high risk homosexual sex acts and remain abstinent until traditional marriage, are harming kids. This is preposterous, and local parents and communities need to resist enforced political correctness.”
Authentic Christians will remember several key concepts from Scripture:
1. Homosexual behavior is always a sin, God’s plan for sexuality is male/female marriage, and God has not changed His mind about this (Genesis 19; Leviticus 18:22; Matthew 19:4-6; Romans 1:24-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11)
2. Jesus described marriage as the union of one man and one woman, and that humans were created male and female “from the beginning.” Gender change is a defiant and ungrateful sin against God’s direction and design (Matthew 19:4-6)


http://christiangovernance.ca/news/...ullying-tactic-against-christianity-condemned

Oh wow, some homophobic bullshit from a Christian website, how interesting.:sarcasm
:fing27:fing27:fing27:fing27:fing27:fing27

 

[mazHur]

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]Islam and homosexuality: All viewpoints[/FONT][/FONT]

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[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]Speaking generally, religious beliefs within the world's major faith groups are based on four main foundations: revelation in the form of a holy text; religious tradition; logic & reason; and personal experience. [/FONT]

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]More liberal movements within these religions often tend to stress logic, reason, and personal experience. This includes scientific findings. It is only since about 1950 that homosexuality has been seriously studied by human sexuality researchers. Liberal individuals and groups within Christianity, Islam and other religions have been quick to incorporate scientific findings within their ethical and religious beliefs. They generally regard homosexuality as a sexual orientation which is ethically neutral, fixed, unchosen, and is normal and natural for a minority of adults.[/FONT]

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]More conservative movements tend to stress revelation and tradition. Their beliefs are anchored to the past. Their beliefs are much less amenable to rapid change. They generally regard homosexuality as a deviate and disordered behavior, which is immoral, changeable, chosen, abnormal and unnatural.[/FONT] [FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]
A person's beliefs about homosexuality tend to be determined less by their specific religion, and more by where their beliefs lie on the liberal-conservative divide. For this reason, conservative Christians and Muslims tend to have similar beliefs about the nature and origin(s) of homosexuality, as well as God's attitude towards homosexuals.
According to the International Lesbian and Gay Association ILGA there are at least seven countries today which still retain capital punishment for homosexuality. All are predominately Muslim countries. They are: Afghanistan, Iran, Mauritania, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, and Yemen. The situation with regard to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) is unclear.




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[Peter Parka]

So Mazhur, your point is, you agree that religion promotes hate

 

[mazHur]

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]"When a man mounts another man, the throne of God shakes."[/FONT]




[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica][FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]Qur'an & Hadith and homosexuality.
Comparing the Qur'an and Bible.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]Comparison of the Qur'an and Hebrew Scriptures concerning Sodom:

[/FONT]http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_isla1.htm[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]The Qur'an and Homosexuality:[/FONT]

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]There are many references in the Qur'an which have been cited as referring to gay and lesbian behavior. Some obviously deal with effeminate men and "masculine women." The five references that may refer to specifically same-sex behavior are:
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[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]Sura 4:20-21: "Against those of your women who commit adultery, call witnesses four in number from among yourselves; and if these bear witness, then keep the women in houses until death release them, or God shall make for them a way. And if two (men) of you commit it, then hurt them both; but if they turn again and amend, leave them alone, verily, God is easily turned, compassionate." 1

Some translations of the Qur'an call for the long-term or permanent house arrest of women guilty of adultery -- they are to be confined to "houses of death." An accurate translation is that their husband (or their parent or guardian) is to keep them -- not abandon them. Also, if they repent of their sin, God will accept their repentance. 2 It is worth noting that a woman can only be found guilty if four witnesses testify against her. Verse 21 seems to call for physical punishment for men who engage in same-sex activity, followed by their release if they abandon the practice. Verse 24:2 calls for a man or woman guilty of adultery or fornication to be flogged 100 times.
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[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]Sura 7:80-84: "And Lot, when he said to his people, 'Do ye approach an abomination which no one in all the world ever anticipated you in? Verily, ye approach men with lust rather than women- nay, ye are a people who exceed.' But his people's answer only was to say, 'Turn them out of your village, verily, they are a people who pretend to purity.' But we saved him and his people, except his wife, who was of those who lingered; and we rained down upon them a rain; -- see then how was the end of the sinners!"

This describes the destruction of Sodom. Lot accuses the men of Sodom of engaging in homosexual behavior, only to have his message rejected. God saved Lot and his family and killed the other inhabitants of Sodom, presumably for their homosexual activities.

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[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]Sura 11:78-81: "And his people came to him, rushing at him, for before that they used to work evil. He 'Said, 'O my people! here are my daughters, they are purer for you; then, fear God, and do not disgrace me through my guests;- is there not among you one right-thinking man?' They said, 'Thou knowest that we have no claim on thy daughters; verily, thou knowest what we want!' He said, 'Had I but power over you; or could I but resort to some strong column....!' [The angels] said, 'O Lot! verily, we are the messengers of thy Lord, they shall certainly not reach thee; then travel with thy people in the darkness of the night, and let none of you look round except thy wife: verily, there shall befall her what befalls them. Verily, their appointment is for the morning! and is not the morning nigh'?"

This describes another incident associated with the destruction of Sodom when Lot offered his two virgin daughters, instead of the angels, to be raped by the men of Sodom. The angels told Lot to escape from the city before dawn because the city would be destroyed in the morning, presumably because of their homosexual activity.

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[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]Sura 26: 162-168: "[Lot said] 'Verily, I am to you a faithful apostle; then fear God and obey me. I do not ask you for it any hire; my hire is only with the Lord of the worlds. Do ye approach males of all the world and leave what God your Lord has created for you of your wives? nay, but ye are people who transgress!' They said, 'Surely, if thou dost not desist, O Lot! thou shalt be of those who are expelled!' Said he, 'Verily, I am of those who hate your deed."

Here, Lot criticizes the men of Sodom for abandoning their wives and engaging in sex with other males. The men respond with a threat to expel Lot from the city.

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[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]Sura 27: 55-57 and Sura 29: 28-31: "And (remember) Lot when he said to his people, 'Verily, ye approach an abomination which no one in all the world ever anticipated you in! What! do ye approach men? and stop folks on the highway? And approach in your assembly sin?' but the answer of his people was only to say, 'Bring us God's torment, if thou art of those who speak the truth!' Said he, 'My Lord! help me against a people who do evil!' And when our messengers came to Abraham with the glad tidings, they said, 'We are about to destroy the people of this city. Verily, the people thereof are wrong-doers'."

Again, Lot criticizes the men of Sodom for their same-sex behavior. The men challenge God to bring on the destruction. [/FONT] [FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica] These verses relate to male same-sex activities. As in the Hebrew Scriptures, lesbian practices are not mentioned in the Qur'an.

[/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica] [/FONT][FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]It is perhaps ironic that the conservative Christian interpretation more closely resembles the content of the Qur'an than the Bible.[/FONT]

 

[mazHur]

So Mazhur, your point is, you agree that religion promotes hate

Yes and No.
Yes, If you interfere in other people's religion it promotes hate.
No, if you kept your religion to yourself .

 

[Peter Parka]

Yes and No.
Yes, If you interfere in other people's religion it promotes hate.
No, if you kept your religion to yourself .

But what you quoted says yes because it believes in descriminating against people for a biological thing they have no control over. Your quotes have proved the OP right.

 

[Tuffdisc]

What a waste of bandwidth!

I know............but some people on here think he is funny coming up with videos like that