Inspiring quotes from FDR.

[Alien Allen]

We all know FDR was a bad guy. Just ask a conservative...

He was no better or worse than most. But the liberals have him up on a pedestal so high that if he was a woman wearing a skirt it would be considered obscene

 

[Minor Axis]

He was no better or worse than most. But the liberals have him up on a pedestal so high that if he was a woman wearing a skirt it would be considered obscene

You mean like Republicans and Reagan? FDR despite conservative forces dead set against it gave the working class a chance.

 

[Alien Allen]

You mean like Republicans and Reagan? FDR despite conservative forces dead set against it gave the working class a chance.

Good comparison. I will give you that.

Yeah FDR did a great job helping the working class. His spending madness extended the depression for many years. And were todays technology been available back then there would be tons of theorists claiming he let Pearl Harbor happen to give us an excuse to get involved. The crap going around back then with Germany also is beyond the pale and who knows what he was doing there. Read "Trading with the Enemy" by Charles Higham.

 

[Dakota Jim]

The one conspiracy I actually think could be true is Roosevelt's knowing about Pearl Harbor beforehand, and allowing it to happen. I think it's entirely plausible, because despite everything else he'd done our economy was still in shambles, and there was increasing pressure from our European allies to help. Of course we'll never know, but it's possible.

One word. BULLSHIT. You are like all the others who know nothing but the rumors and retold stories of his tenure. The fact is, like Bush, Hoover fucked America to the hilt, FDR rescued it. Say what you want but you are totally wrong in your second hand appraisals of his administration.

 

[dt3]

One word. BULLSHIT. You are like all the others who know nothing but the rumors and retold stories of his tenure. The fact is, like Bush, Hoover fucked America to the hilt, FDR rescued it. Say what you want but you are totally wrong in your second hand appraisals of his administration.

Like I said, we'll never know. But there is a significant amount of circumstantial facts that add up:

The Pacific Fleet was not stationed in Pearl Harbor until 1940. The commander of the fleet at the time (Admiral Richardson) refused to move his ships there, because of the inability to effectively defend the site. He was subsequently relieved of his command by the President.

Admiral Kimmel, in charge of Pearl Harbor at the time of the attack, said "I'll tell you what I believe. I think that most of the incriminating records have been destroyed. ... I doubt if the truth will ever emerge" when he was asked if we had advance knowledge of the attacks

In November of 1941, all Pacific commands of the Army and Navy received a warning about imminent war with Japan. Despite this, ammo for the AA guns at Pearl Harbor remained locked up in storage instead of loaded or at least near the guns themselves.

10 days prior to Pearl Harbor, the head of the War Department (Henry Stimson) wrote in his diary that he had a meeting with FDR about "how we should maneuver them [the Japanese] into the position of firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves."

One of FDR's aides, Jonathan Daniels, was quoted as saying "The blow was heavier than he had hoped it would necessarily be. ... But the risks paid off; even the loss was worth the price. ..."

It's also well-known that we had deciphered two of the highest level Japanese codes, and had decrypted a significant amount of their radio transmissions prior to Pearl Harbor. To date, much of these transmissions have still not been released.

Vice Admiral Frank Beatty, aide to the Secretary of the Navy said "Prior to December 7, it was evident even to me... that we were pushing Japan into a corner. I believed that it was the desire of President Roosevelt, and Prime Minister Churchill that we get into the war, as they felt the Allies could not win without us and all our efforts to cause the Germans to declare war on us failed; the conditions we imposed upon Japan — to get out of China, for example — were so severe that we knew that nation could not accept them. We were forcing her so severely that we could have known that she would react toward the United States. All her preparations in a military way — and we knew their over-all import — pointed that way."



Like I said, all circumstantial. But I can see how the totality of it begins to add up.

 

[Alien Allen]

One word. BULLSHIT. You are like all the others who know nothing but the rumors and retold stories of his tenure. The fact is, like Bush, Hoover fucked America to the hilt, FDR rescued it. Say what you want but you are totally wrong in your second hand appraisals of his administration.

Sorry but there are a ton of economists that said his policies extended by up to 10 years the depression. And were it not for the war who knows how things would have recovered. His handling of events leading up to Pearl Harbor are suspect and open to debate but one thing for sure is he is to blame for leaving Pearl Harbor defenseless and unprepared. There were too many warning signs. Unlike 911 when we had clues something was up there was no telling where. With Pearl Harbor it was like a bulls eye and he had to know it would be attacked yet did little to have us prepare.

 

[Minor Axis]

FDR is THE anti-christ of conservative philosophy. I won't try to project how long the depression would have lasted with or without his policies, but what his administration did was give the working class a break, something conservatives kick and scream about because it would cost some of those precious business profits that can't be afforded for the sake of the peons.

 

[darkcgi]

I living in my hell.

 

[Alien Allen]

FDR is THE anti-christ of conservative philosophy. I won't try to project how long the depression would have lasted with or without his policies, but what his administration did was give the working class a break, something conservatives kick and scream about because it would cost some of those precious business profits that can't be afforded for the sake of the peons.

and Reagan was the liberals anti christ

gotcha

you betcha

 

[Minor Axis]

and Reagan was the liberals anti christ

gotcha

you betcha

I voted for Reagan... that was before I completely understood the agenda.

 

[Alien Allen]

I voted for Reagan... that was before I completely understood the agenda.

You must have been one of those brainwashed ones that escaped from Jonestown

 

[Codrus]

at least he voted.......

 

[JanieDough]

He was an arrogant man who came from wealth.

and which president wasn't?

What abt Obama's quotes?

Or for that matter Sarah Palin's quotes?

You see I went to FDR's Memorial...

at least he voted.......

nice avatar...not





So glad the quotes have made an impact on you people. I just posted them as objective points regardless of who said them.

As in they are nice quotes that could make us reflect. and be POSITIVE.

 

[Alien Allen]

Screw being positive

They came from a politician

You could quote some uplifting stuff from Reagan and the left would demolish it.

This is what us bitchers do

 

[kelvin070]

I have one quote by Abraham Lincoln for all you guys here including the staff "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time"

 

[Goat Whisperer]

FDR is dead anyways, no need to get all yall's panties in a bunch.

 

[dt3]

So glad the quotes have made an impact on you people. I just posted them as objective points regardless of who said them.

As in they are nice quotes that could make us reflect. and be POSITIVE.

Well, just a thought, but if you didn't want a debate and just wanted to post quotes maybe you should've put it in the Inspirational Thoughts section (which I believe even has a thread for quotes) instead of in the Debate section (where the trolls like Allen and myself hang out).

 

[JanieDough]

Well, just a thought, but if you didn't want a debate and just wanted to post quotes maybe you should've put it in the Inspirational Thoughts section (which I believe even has a thread for quotes) instead of in the Debate section (where the trolls like Allen and myself hang out).

PHILOSOPHY and Debate

as in we can take these quotes as philosophy for our lives

and everyone is going offtopic

not many of you are actually talking about the validity and relevance of the quotes themselves

 

[Alien Allen]

PHILOSOPHY and Debate

as in we can take these quotes as philosophy for our lives

and everyone is going offtopic

not many of you are actually talking about the validity and relevance of the quotes themselves

Fair enough. You may not like the following any better though

I Thought these quotes which I saw on FDR's memorial very fitting to apply to today:

I never forget that I live in a house paid for by the American people and that I have been given their trust. Hell his family darn near owned the country and did a lot to throttle the common man from furthering themselves. Kind of like the Kennedys and their ilk but I digress. Anyway I guess that trust only went so far since he tried to get away with putting 5 people of his choice on the Supreme Court as the current one had turned down several of his ideas as unconstitutional.

We have faith that future generations will know that here, in the middle of the twentieth century, there came a time when men of good will found a way to unite, and produce, and fight to destroy the forces of ignorance, and intolerance, and slavery, and warInspiring sure but similar things have been said by others so nothing special there.


I propse to create a civilian conservation corps to be used in simple work...more important, however than the material gains shall be the moral and spiritual value of such work. Oh the hand wringing. It fits right in with the fireside chats don't it. Such a kind an benevolent chap who came from uncommon wealth.

We must scrupulously gaurd the civil rights and civil liberties of all citizens, whatever their background, we must remember that any oppression, any injustince, any hatred, is a wedge designed to attack our civilization. Yeah he really and I mean really watched out for the Japaneese Americans didn't he. Why he was such a kind fellow he even gave them free room and housing.

I think he is now my favorite president.I think he sucked :24:

 

[dt3]

PHILOSOPHY and Debate

as in we can take these quotes as philosophy for our lives

and everyone is going offtopic

not many of you are actually talking about the validity and relevance of the quotes themselves

I don't really see it as being offtopic. You posted quotes from FDR, and FDR is being discussed. It may not be the way you intended the conversation to go, but it's still a relevant discussion.