Would you like to travel to Karachi “the most dangerous megacity” in the world? Why and Why Not?

[mazHur]

''A Report by Foreign Policy in September 2013 termed Karachi “the most dangerous megacity” in the world. The Report cited a murder rate of 12.3 per 100,000 residents, “some 25 per cent higher than any other major city”.

here is the complete story....
http://www.eurasiareview.com/13032014-pakistan-sindh-terror-assessment-analysis/

 

[The Man]

Who would want to visit a terrorist haven?
But more importantly why is it tolerated?

 

[porterjack]

Surprised baghdad and Detroit are not more dangerous

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[mazHur]

Who would want to visit a terrorist haven?
But more importantly why is it tolerated?

mainly due to counter effect of War on Terror... Afghan refugees flooding into Pakistan and Taliban groups scattered all around. Adding fuel to fire some other groups too joined them.
Then there is insurgency in Baluchistan, the largest province of Pakistan..

Corruption, poor leadership, weak administration, internal and external conflicts, unemployment, inflation, poverty, illiteracy, lack of health care, overpopulation, refugees,
counter effect of war on terror, economic disaster, etc etc are main factors behind it.

Democracy as seen here hasn't been able to solve the problems. It has even failed to establish the rule of law to a greater extent.

 

[porterjack]

And Indian cricket is better

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[mazHur]

And Indian cricket is better

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Cricket is big business, billion dollar gamble, for the parallel economists.

 

[The Man]

mainly due to counter effect of War on Terror... Afghan refugees flooding into Pakistan and Taliban groups scattered all around. Adding fuel to fire some other groups too joined them.
Then there is insurgency in Baluchistan, the largest province of Pakistan..

Corruption, poor leadership, weak administration, internal and external conflicts, unemployment, inflation, poverty, illiteracy, lack of health care, overpopulation, refugees,
counter effect of war on terror, economic disaster, etc etc are main factors behind it.

Democracy as seen here hasn't been able to solve the problems. It has even failed to establish the rule of law to a greater extent.

Ahh..but if it displaced the terrorists to known locations it appears as if..elimination should now be easier.
Here is the part that bugs me...why did they run to pk?
Safe haven.
Even Osama himself was hiding next to a military base in PK...I am hard pressed to believe they did not know he was there

 

[mazHur]

Ahh..but if it displaced the terrorists to known locations it appears as if..elimination should now be easier.
Here is the part that bugs me...why did they run to pk?
Safe haven.
Even Osama himself was hiding next to a military base in PK...I am hard pressed to believe they did not know he was there

Pakistan has bad neighbors: India on the East is its arch enemy; Iran on the West is a nodding friend; China is not accessible due to Himalayas. Where else would innocent (and some wicked too disguised as otherwise) people take flight other than deep into Pakistan where they have their 'cousins' living all along the abt 1500 miles border with Afghanistan.?

At least there were no reports of Osama hiding in Pakistan until the 'agencies' discovered him. Frankly, the Afghans and their cousin Pashtuns bordering Afghanistan look so much alike....that it is hard to differentiate between them.

Why do you expect Pakistan alone to tackle YOUR problems thrust on it?
If Nato forces combined have failed the war on terror in Pakistan why expect Pakistan to do it alone?? would that be fair given Pakistan is an ally of the US and already its more than 5000 soldiers have died in the war?

 

[The Man]

Pakistan has bad neighbors: India on the East is its arch enemy; Iran on the West is a nodding friend; China is not accessible due to Himalayas. Where else would innocent (and some wicked too disguised as otherwise) people take flight other than deep into Pakistan where they have their 'cousins' living all along the abt 1500 miles border with Afghanistan.?

At least there were no reports of Osama hiding in Pakistan until the 'agencies' discovered him. Frankly, the Afghans and their cousin Pashtuns bordering Afghanistan look so much alike....that it is hard to differentiate between them.

Why do you expect Pakistan alone to tackle YOUR problems thrust on it?
If Nato forces combined have failed the war on terror in Pakistan why expect Pakistan to do it alone?? would that be fair given Pakistan is an ally of the US and already its more than 5000 soldiers have died in the war?

There are 5 nations bordering Afg...but yet the terrorists ran to pk.
Were there not already large groves of the Taliban in pk?...It is not all because of the afg war.
But rather pk is a home to the taliban.
Dont get me wrong the Taliban has its place in society..Many choose to live under its presence due to its strict laws..sort of along the lines as Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

But when they provide safe haven for al quada as well as train them it becomes a problem as it is no longer just a local issue..thus gaining military attention.

would that be fair given Pakistan is an ally of the US and already its more than 5000 soldiers have died in the war?

That statement alone shows it is a serious problem..which the US did not cause.
These people choose to be terrorists...no one twisted any ones arm...The Taliban is so large it is actually a culture rather than adopted lifestyle.

Why do you expect Pakistan alone to tackle YOUR problems thrust on it?

As that is where they are residing...thus they should handle them

At least there were no reports of Osama hiding in Pakistan until the 'agencies' discovered him. Frankly, the Afghans and their cousin Pashtuns bordering Afghanistan look so much alike....that it is hard to differentiate between them.

He was essentially ratted out.
But the question is still posed...if hiding from the world why next to a military base?...seems like that would be the worst place.
So we not only have safe haven for the taliban...odd that Osama chooses pk and right next to a military base?

 

[KingKong]

No, but not so much because of the danger but because there's nothing that really interests me there...

 

[mazHur]

No, but not so much because of the danger but because there's nothing that really interests me there...

Brave man, thou!!

 

[MainerMikeBrown]

Being an American, I wouldn't feel safe in Karachi.

 

[mazHur]

Being an American, I wouldn't feel safe in Karachi.

True,,,,,unless you kept hidden in a burqa!!

 

[mazHur]

There are 5 nations bordering Afg...but yet the terrorists ran to pk.
Were there not already large groves of the Taliban in pk?...It is not all because of the afg war.
But rather pk is a home to the taliban.
Dont get me wrong the Taliban has its place in society..Many choose to live under its presence due to its strict laws..sort of along the lines as Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

But when they provide safe haven for al quada as well as train them it becomes a problem as it is no longer just a local issue..thus gaining military attention.




That statement alone shows it is a serious problem..which the US did not cause.
These people choose to be terrorists...no one twisted any ones arm...The Taliban is so large it is actually a culture rather than adopted lifestyle.



As that is where they are residing...thus they should handle them



He was essentially ratted out.
But the question is still posed...if hiding from the world why next to a military base?...seems like that would be the worst place.
So we not only have safe haven for the taliban...odd that Osama chooses pk and right next to a military base?

Because your CIA and our ISI were sharing intelligence. The whole mystery rests on some 'deal' between them.

FATA where Taliban concentration is is a barren, wild and dangerous mountainous terrain where Pakistan's writ of government is absent over the scattered tribal lords residing there. Taliban and the residents of this area look the same.... even Chechans look like them and they soon learn to speak their language, Pushtu or Afghani and become one of them.

Even if YOU, a Caucasian or white dressed up like them and spoke their language and learned their customs would not be easily recognized as The Man!! Thus you stand a better chance to visit Pakistan....so when are you coming??

 

[MainerMikeBrown]

I'd rather travel somewhere else. I've wanted to see Australia and New Zealand for quite a while. I'd rather go there.

 

[mazHur]

I'd rather travel somewhere else. I've wanted to see Australia and New Zealand for quite a while. I'd rather go there.

Those are good places to go but if you like 'adventure' you can take a stop over in Waziristan.

 

[The Man]

Because your CIA and our ISI were sharing intelligence. The whole mystery rests on some 'deal' between them.

FATA where Taliban concentration is is a barren, wild and dangerous mountainous terrain where Pakistan's writ of government is absent over the scattered tribal lords residing there. Taliban and the residents of this area look the same.... even Chechans look like them and they soon learn to speak their language, Pushtu or Afghani and become one of them.

Even if YOU, a Caucasian or white dressed up like them and spoke their language and learned their customs would not be easily recognized as The Man!! Thus you stand a better chance to visit Pakistan....so when are you coming??

What you have just said is they can blend in anywhere..even saying I could blend in.
so since they can blend anywhere why did they choose pk as the location to blend in.
Reason being it is the best place to go suffering the least chance of being killed or captured.
It seems to me that if we know where they are...half the battle is won...its a matter of just closing in.

 

[mazHur]

What you have just said is they can blend in anywhere..even saying I could blend in.
so since they can blend anywhere why did they choose pk as the location to blend in.
Reason being it is the best place to go suffering the least chance of being killed or captured.
It seems to me that if we know where they are...half the battle is won...its a matter of just closing in.

What can I say to your lack of sense of understanding?
What can a state do where it lacks its writ and control?
What can govt agency do when it is glove in hand with the govt agency of a foreign country?
What have the combined global forces done to win the war on terror? Apparently nothing, they have lost.
If America wants to be the 'watchman' of the world let it be so until some other power confronts it and makes it back off. Previously it was USSR...next maybe Korea or China or even India. Who knows?

 

[mazHur]

Startling news make good dough. Newspapers and media buys them.
Here is one such story to placate The Man....
Whether it is true or false,,,,,,,I don't know....I can't know. Only the Lions, Bears and the Wolves know it!!


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/magazine/what-pakistan-knew-about-bin-laden.html?_r=0
What Pakistan Knew About Bin Laden
By CARLOTTA GALLMARCH 19, 2014

Taliban recruits in 2008 in Quetta, Pakistan, where leading organizers of the Afghan insurgency are based. Credit Alex Majoli/Magnum, for The New York Times

Continue reading the main story
Shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks, I went to live and report for The New York Times in Afghanistan. I would spend most of the next 12 years there, following the overthrow of the Taliban, feeling the excitement of the freedom and prosperity that was promised in its wake and then watching the gradual dissolution of that hope. A new Constitution and two rounds of elections did not improve the lives of ordinary Afghans; the Taliban regrouped and found increasing numbers of supporters for their guerrilla actions; by 2006, as they mounted an ambitious offensive to retake southern Afghanistan and unleashed more than a hundred suicide bombers, it was clear that a deadly and determined opponent was growing in strength, not losing it. As I toured the bomb sites and battlegrounds of the Taliban resurgence, Afghans kept telling me the same thing: The organizers of the insurgency were in Pakistan, specifically in the western district of Quetta. Police investigators were............more..

 

[The Man]

What can I say to your lack of sense of understanding?
What can a state do where it lacks its writ and control?
What can govt agency do when it is glove in hand with the govt agency of a foreign country?
What have the combined global forces done to win the war on terror? Apparently nothing, they have lost.
If America wants to be the 'watchman' of the world let it be so until some other power confronts it and makes it back off. Previously it was USSR...next maybe Korea or China or even India. Who knows?

Are you saying they lack in the abilty to control the situation due to lack of strength of the pk govt?