Why should I respect these oppressive religions? - Johann Hari

[Sylviane88]

3. Again, any gesture toward peace from infidels is probably just a ploy. History has shown as much.

Indeed, history has shown as much proofs that say this is false !

 

[Accountable]

My bad. I thought communication would occur. I guess I'm still new here. :shrug:

 

[skyblue]

Those who are you defending them are the ones who killed thousands of innocents in 9/11 ... wake up !

who said i'm defending anyone?

 

[SgtSpike]

Terrorism and violence are a fact of life in many Muslim nations. In a recent survey on global conflict, Monty Marshall and Ted Gurr of the Center for International Development and Conflict Management found that of the 24 major armed conflicts taking place worldwide in 2005, more than half (13) involved Muslim governments or paramilitary groups on one or both sides of the fighting. What's more, among six countries with "emerging armed conflicts," four are predominantly Muslim and another, Thailand, involves a Muslim separatist movement.

Marshall and Gurr also rated 161 countries according to their capacity to avoid outbreaks of armed conflicts. Whereas 63 percent of non-Muslim countries were categorized as "enjoy[ing] the strongest prospects for successful management of new challenges," just 18 percent of the 50 Muslim nations included were similarly designated. In addition, Muslim nations (those with at least 40 percent Muslim population) were two-and-a-half times more likely than non-Muslim nations to be considered "at the greatest risk of neglecting or mismanaging emerging societal crises such that these conflicts escalate to serious violence and/or government instability."

The simple fact is that Islam is a common denominator in many of the most violent places in the world— places with disparate political systems, socio-economic conditions, ethnic groups and more.

Source: American Values on islam, muslim, war on terror: Violence Pervades Muslim World

This could be a load of bullocks, but all I have seen and heard in my lifetime seems to confirm that it isn't far from the truth.

 

[boombala]

Snip:

"Western people thinks that muslims cannot live with other non-muslim people in a land, while Allah clearly said: "" There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever rejects Satan (and what he calls to) and believes in Allah, he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handhold, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing."" [Quran 2:256].

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FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.
John 3:16

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John was clearly NOT writing about Allah. Who ya gonna believe?

 

[Peter Parka]

Snip:

"Western people thinks that muslims cannot live with other non-muslim people in a land, while Allah clearly said: "" There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever rejects Satan (and what he calls to) and believes in Allah, he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handhold, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing."" [Quran 2:256].

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FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE.
John 3:16

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John was clearly NOT writing about Allah. Who ya gonna believe?

Rofl! You'd think if there is a god who was so perfect and so adament that we should follow a certain faith, he'd have made it a bit clearer.:surrender

 

[flipx]

Wow, Sylviane has no clue. Keeps contradicting himself, and back tracking on everything he says. This thread/article is NOT about Islam, or Allah! It is about the freedom of speech that has slowly but surely been taken away, which is unacceptable.

First, when you get to know what is Islam, you will automatically know why you should respect it :thumbup .. I remember when I was atheist, I was totally deceived by such lies .

Now, I'm muslim thanks to Allah who helped me to get the way of the truth (which is hidden by those evils).

Meirionnydd, did you try to know something true about Islam before you brought this topic written surely by a zionist who hates Islam ( the religion of freedom and peace ).

I'm ready to start three topics with you about Islam, christianity and judaism, and we both will uncover their truth with proofs from their holy book. what is your opinion ? :nod:

Cordially - Sylviane

This first post from you, just shows how uneducated you are, and how you lack common sense, and intelligence. I completely agree with the article, and I hope that 'Freedom of Speech' can actually mean something again.

Here is a random smattering of events that have taken place in the past week in countries that demanded this change. In Nigeria, divorced women are routinely thrown out of their homes and left destitute, unable to see their children, so a large group of them wanted to stage a protest – but the Shariah police declared it was "un-Islamic" and the marchers would be beaten and whipped. In Saudi Arabia, the country's most senior government-approved cleric said it was perfectly acceptable for old men to marry 10-year-old girls, and those who disagree should be silenced. In Egypt, a 27-year-old Muslim blogger Abdel Rahman was seized, jailed and tortured for arguing for a reformed Islam that does not enforce shariah.

That is just horrific to say the least. Makes me glad that I live where I live.

 

[boombala]

Rofl! You'd think if there is a god who was so perfect and so adament that we should follow a certain faith, he'd have made it a bit clearer.:surrender

You got that right Peter, with the exception of the word "he'd" -- could be "she'd" !!

 

[siasl]

First, when you get to know what is Islam, you will automatically know why you should respect it :thumbup .. I remember when I was atheist, I was totally deceived by such lies .

Now, I'm muslim thanks to Allah who helped me to get the way of the truth (which is hidden by those evils).

Meirionnydd, did you try to know something true about Islam before you brought this topic written surely by a zionist who hates Islam ( the religion of freedom and peace ).

I'm ready to start three topics with you about Islam, christianity and judaism, and we both will uncover their truth with proofs from their holy book. what is your opinion ? :nod:

Cordially - Sylviane

hmmmm
well, first of all, respect is something that must be earned....as you said (in a different way), Islam earned your respect....

personally, i don't have major problems with the teachings of any religion...very many people take something from those teachings and allow it to permeate their perception of being, providing a seed within them from which personal strenght and connection can grow.

for some of those folks, they are changed forever....their perceptions of time and the physical universe, of their fellow man, and life in general are reshaped into something beyond the confines of the rational mind.

but.....for the vast majority, the seed of their religion is only allowed to grow within the hot house environment of the rational mind, and the "spritual" teachnings of religion grow big and lush, all rightee, but lack the internal structure and support to stand on their own.....

they become, then, "rationalizations" of behavior that justifies actions which bear no resemblance to the teaching they claim to be derived from....

and for some few of those folks, those rationalizations get very ugly and self-righteous.

this doesn't effect my respect for the individual -you, for example- who has chosen one religion or another....but it DOES effect my respect for the religiion itself

not for the essence of its teaching, but for the sense of priority within the religion itself, for its failure to recognize that the few people who make a mockery of that essence undermine the acceptance of the religion.

christainity, for example, attempts to dodge the issue by "being in the world, not of the world"....can't say what stance Islam takes....but on a crowded planet, with weaponry and violence so prevalant, it is unfortunately the destructive potential of the few who govern the perceptions of the many.....

imo, "organized" religion, and its followers, need to take a stand "in the world" about that.

 

[Minor Axis]

Western people thinks that muslims cannot live with other non-muslim people in a land, while Allah clearly said:

"There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever rejects Satan (and what he calls to) and believes in Allah, he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handhold, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing."" [Quran 2:256].

The poster seems to think that this quote paints the Muslim religion as tolerant. I would argue that some Muslims are, but now you just have to convince the zealots living in the Middle East who like to mix their cultural standards with their religion, get it all mixed up, and then want to kill you if you don't agree or say anything questionable about their beliefs.

 

[satinbutterfly]

The poster seems to think that this quote paints the Muslim religion as tolerant. I would argue that some Muslims are, but now you just have to convince the zealots living in the Middle East who like to mix their cultural standards with their religion, get it all mixed up, and then want to kill you if you don't agree or say anything questionable about their beliefs.

It's pretty much the same with Christianity... religious whack jobs are not just confined to one area.

 

[Minor Axis]

It's pretty much the same with Christianity... religious whack jobs are not just confined to one area.

Except that Christian zealots (today) don't seem to be as likely to want to kill you if you disagree. They are content with the notion of you burning in Hell for eternity.

 

[satinbutterfly]

Except that Christian zealots (today) don't seem to be as likely to want to kill you if you disagree.

True... they just claim you have no morals or standards.