White Pride

[The Doc]

It's ok. You have to explain things to me in single syllables before I get it I'm afraid. Sorry for being stupid

The point I was alluding to is that the ancestral home is irrelevant. How the person views themselves is what counts. I consider myself British as I was born here and I'm proud of that but I would never call myself English because I don't see myself as an English person. I see only the Caucasians as 'English'. If another Indian however wants to see themselves as English, I've no problem with that.

Do you call yourself an American or an Indian first and foremost? - or something else?

Your going to have to explain to me this. I dont understand european culture mainly because i dont live there... but wheather your english or british isnt it the same? Seeing as Brittain and England are 2 different names for the same country...

I am an Indian american because i was born in the U.S. but my race is Indian. There is no "American" race. Unless you consider the native americans but most of them are either dead or highly diluted with white genes (I.E. You meet a guy who is 7/8 white and 1/8 cherokee). But with you guys there is an "English" race. Same as how if a white man went to India, and even if he was born there like 3rd generation, he would not be an actual Indian to us due to his ancestral history. Just as a white or black guy went to korea he wouldent be korean even if he was born there because its his ancestral home.

 

[retro]

Your going to have to explain to me this. I dont understand european culture mainly because i dont live there... but wheather your english or british isnt it the same? Seeing as Brittain and England are 2 different names for the same country...

I am an Indian american because i was born in the U.S. but my race is Indian. There is no "American" race. Unless you consider the native americans but most of them are either dead or highly diluted with white genes (I.E. You meet a guy who is 7/8 white and 1/8 cherokee). But with you guys there is an "English" race. Same as how if a white man went to India, and even if he was born there like 3rd generation, he would not be an actual Indian to us due to his ancestral history. Just as a white or black guy went to korea he wouldent be korean even if he was born there because its his ancestral home.

An "American" is considered to be someone that is an American citizen; as such, you are an American of Indian ancestry. Someone that is "British" is a citizen of the United Kingdom; so Siph is British, of Indian ancestry.

 

[Siphorous]

Your going to have to explain to me this. I dont understand european culture mainly because i dont live there... but wheather your english or british isnt it the same? Seeing as Brittain and England are 2 different names for the same country...

I am an Indian american because i was born in the U.S. but my race is Indian. There is no "American" race. Unless you consider the native americans but most of them are either dead or highly diluted with white genes (I.E. You meet a guy who is 7/8 white and 1/8 cherokee). But with you guys there is an "English" race. Same as how if a white man went to India, and even if he was born there like 3rd generation, he would not be an actual Indian to us due to his ancestral history. Just as a white or black guy went to korea he wouldent be korean even if he was born there because its his ancestral home.

Doc, retro's reply after yours kinda summed up what I would have said. Where I'm trying to get to was to see what was important to you- your ancestry first or foremost or your citizenship. I guess if you class yourself as "Indian American" then your emphasis is there. I'm not decrying your right to class yourself that way - I was just curious as to how you do see yourself.

Regarding your other question though on the United Kingdom / England. The United Kingdom is the country, England is a nation that is simply a constituent part of the United Kingdom - just as Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are also constituent parts of the United Kingdom.

People will often class it (England) as a 'country' due to it's clear borders and ethnic majority of English people and some might say 'country within a country' but it is not - it's a nation.

England does not have a government - the government of the United Kingdom is what governs England. England does not have embassies around the world - the United Kingdom does. Hope that explains things a little better for you.

 

[Galvatron]

White pride....Black pride...i don't care shit...self pride is what i have and all i need.

 

[Abcinthia]

Your going to have to explain to me this. I dont understand european culture mainly because i dont live there... but wheather your english or british isnt it the same? Seeing as Brittain and England are 2 different names for the same country...

No they are not two names for the same country.

Someone who is English is from England.

Someone who is British is from England, Wales or Scotland as they make up Britain. Britain is not just England and people from Wales and Scotland do get annoyed by that.

Someone who is from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northen Ireland (United Kingdom for short) is from England, Scotland, Wales or Northen Ireland. It gets complicated with the other Islands (eg Isle of Man are self govening with their own govement & police forces but the UK is responsible for their defence and we can legislate their island and we control citizenship).

Now what Siph is saying is that he is British as he was born in Britain. But he does not consider himself English as to him, it has other meanings than just anyone who is born in England. Some people who's parents were not born in England but themselves born in England, do consider themselves English. It's up to the person what word they choose to use.

 

[zen]

No they are not two names for the same country.

Someone who is English is from England.

Someone who is British is from England, Wales or Scotland as they make up Britain. Britain is not just England and people from Wales and Scotland do get annoyed by that.

Someone who is from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northen Ireland (United Kingdom for short) is from England, Scotland, Wales or Northen Ireland. It gets complicated with the other Islands (eg Isle of Man are self govening with their own govement & police forces but the UK is responsible for their defence and we can legislate their island and we control citizenship).

Now what Siph is saying is that he is British as he was born in Britain. But he does not consider himself English as to him, it has other meanings than just anyone who is born in England. Some people who's parents were not born in England but themselves born in England, do consider themselves English. It's up to the person what word they choose to use.

I would think someone from Scotland would get even more annoyed at being called a Brit over a Scot.

 

[The Man]

Elementary my dear Watson

 

[The Doc]

No they are not two names for the same country.

Someone who is English is from England.

Someone who is British is from England, Wales or Scotland as they make up Britain. Britain is not just England and people from Wales and Scotland do get annoyed by that.

Someone who is from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northen Ireland (United Kingdom for short) is from England, Scotland, Wales or Northen Ireland. It gets complicated with the other Islands (eg Isle of Man are self govening with their own govement & police forces but the UK is responsible for their defence and we can legislate their island and we control citizenship).

Now what Siph is saying is that he is British as he was born in Britain. But he does not consider himself English as to him, it has other meanings than just anyone who is born in England. Some people who's parents were not born in England but themselves born in England, do consider themselves English. It's up to the person what word they choose to use.

I cant say i agree with you. America is a special case because it was created, run by and occupied by many races that did not originate on the land. The race that originally owned this land is either dead or highly diluted in genes. To me, when someones says they are English, i am thinking of the ethnicity. As i believe most people are. If your a white guy for example, and you were born in china and lived there your whole life.... in the eyes of your average person your not chinese.... your white. Do you get where I am coming from? Its about ancestry. America is an exception because the people whose ancestral land this is are dead and lost in genes.

 

[retro]

I cant say i agree with you. America is a special case because it was created, run by and occupied by many races that did not originate on the land. The race that originally owned this land is either dead or highly diluted in genes. To me, when someones says they are English, i am thinking of the ethnicity. As i believe most people are. If your a white guy for example, and you were born in china and lived there your whole life.... in the eyes of your average person your not chinese.... your white. Do you get where I am coming from? Its about ancestry. America is an exception because the people whose ancestral land this is are dead and lost in genes.

But what if they were third generation with one English parent. Could they call themselves English then?

 

[MainerMikeBrown]

Whether white pride is a racist thing or not depends on whether the people who want white pride are racist themselves or not.