Where Did God Come From?

[Peter Parka]

So......umm......yeah?:confused

 

[All Else Failed]

According to most Christian beliefs, he always always always existed.

 

[Keight]

I dunno i would have to say he came from somewhere, he cant of always exsisted right?

 

[All Else Failed]

Christians often use the argument of "first cause" to "prove" god's existence, and that when everything that exists is regressed, it will always come back to one thing: God. Creationists love to use the first causation argument.

According to the first cause argument: We all observe the law of cause and effect in the Universe. Everything needs a cause to account for it's existence. Every cause, in turn, needs ANOTHER cause to have caused that one as well. Its a big chain of causes to make multiple effects. If, therefore, we regress infinitely back to the first cause that caused all causes and effects, we come to what theologians call "god".

When more secular philosophers questioned this theological first cause argument, by asking "Well, what caused god?", the theologians answered that "God has always existed". This is where the secular minded philosophers answer in rebuttal to that: A) If we accept that god has always existed, then why not instead just suppose physical matter has always existed? This non-divine/supernatural guess is far more simple than presupposing that a series of highly complex divine miracles took place. B) The theological argument, that god has always existed, completely contradicts the original premise of the first cause argument, entirely. If everything EXCEPT GOD is controlled by the "law of cause and effect", then the first cause argument made by theologians simply becomes an ad hoc argument and subsequently it is reduced to being completely illogical. In layman's terms, we're right back were we had stared, and not making new ground on universal causation.

 

[hubersrj]

Nice cut and paste!

But seriously, that's part of religion, faith that the almighty has always been there...if you think that something else created God, then you probably don't beleive too strongly in organized religion either. Just my 2 cents.

 

[Breath]

The choices are:
1) God always existed and the world as we know it was "created".
2) Physical matter always existed and evolved into the world as we know it.

Can we even fathom that there was "nothing" at some point and then there was?

 

[All Else Failed]

Nice cut and paste!

But seriously, that's part of religion, faith that the almighty has always been there...if you think that something else created God, then you probably don't beleive too strongly in organized religion either. Just my 2 cents.

that wasn't cut and paste.

 

[All Else Failed]

The choices are:
1) God always existed and the world as we know it was "created".
2) Physical matter always existed and evolved into the world as we know it.

Can we even fathom that there was "nothing" at some point and then there was?

can we even fathom that something has always existed? I find that to be more absurd.

 

[dt3]

The choices are:
1) God always existed and the world as we know it was "created".
2) Physical matter always existed and evolved into the world as we know it.

Can we even fathom that there was "nothing" at some point and then there was?

Pretty much how I see it, and the reason I choose to be agnostic.

When religion can tell me where God came from, I'll be religious.

When science can tell me where EVERYTHING came from, I'll be an atheist.

 

[hubersrj]

that wasn't cut and paste.

Don't worry man, I'm sure that it was a completely original thought and far be it from me to infer that you would even harbor the thought of plagerism.

 

[Breath]

can we even fathom that something has always existed? I find that to be more absurd.

Concur.
But one of those had to have happened. Both are hard to swallow.

 

[hubersrj]

can we even fathom that something has always existed? I find that to be more absurd.

ok, so something that has always existed is absurd, but something from nothing is....what exactly?

 

[All Else Failed]

Don't worry man, I'm sure that it was a completely original thought and far be it from me to infer that you would even harbor the thought of plagerism.

That was actually a very generic and dumbed down version of the arguments. If i wanted to copy and paste something I would cite the source.

 

[hubersrj]

Roger that, carry on smartly.

 

[All Else Failed]

ok, so something that has always existed is absurd, but something from nothing is....what exactly?

We don't know what happened before the big bang, or singularity, but that doesn't mean god created all of it, nor does it mean he didn't create all of it. It just means that there is really no evidence for divine guidance in the universe.

 

[skyblue]

he quite possibly came from a galaxy far far away........lets face it.......if man could travel deep space like they do in star wars/trek,a christian country would give less advanced species the 10 commandments to live by

 

[hubersrj]

You assume that he/she/it needs to "travel"...this is an omnipotent being we're talking about...travel probably isn't necessary

 

[All Else Failed]

he quite possibly came from a galaxy far far away........lets face it.......if man could travel deep space like they do in star wars/trek,a christian country would give less advanced species the 10 commandments to live by

so god is an alien?

 

[skyblue]

well seeing as it seemed an open question.......the ideas not as absurd as one might think

 

[Breath]

If you assume God's existence, then the question of where he came from is moot. The assumption then skews from a logical explanation to a faith-based one.