What would it take to convince you?

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Here's an interesting arguement that I was having recently. To all those who believe in god, christians, muslims, etc, what would it take to convince you that god does not exist?

I have stated on many occasions that I can be convinced that there is a god & that all I need is testable evidence to prove it. What does it take to convince a believer?
 
I am not talking about losing your faith, I want to know what will change your mind & lead you to the other side.

I have known people touched by tragedy & some atheists will convert & some christians will lose their faith. These are not the sort of answers that I seek.
 
I dont know, unlessl the event actually happens. I am not a "Christian", but I do believe in an after AND before life.

I guess it would take death to convince me...if there was "nothing" after death, then I'd be convinced, but then I wouldn't KNOW that I was convinced:D:willy_nilly:
 
sharpies said:
I am not after a conflict of faith but what logical, evidential arguement would need to be presented to make you not believe.

As I said, I could be convinced to believe in god, all it would take is testable scientific evidence.
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With that limitation, it would probably take the same type of scientific "proof" to convince a believer... though likely few would change... since their belief is based on faith to begin with, and "evidence" is basically irrelevant.
 
Well seeing that "not believing" is a negative, its pretty much impossible to prove he dosen't exist, it's really up to the believer to prove he dose. As Richard Dawkins pointed out, you can say you believe in toasters orbiting the earth and you cant prove they dont exist, even though it's highly unlikely that they do.
 
This is probably the usual stuff you've heard.... but when my mother died.... I was very shocked and lost and very very mad at a God who would so callously take such a wonderful, giving, vibrant, talented woman. What purpose would such a God have for turning the world upside down for her family and friends? Because that's what He did. And I walked away from Him. :mad



Then I had my first baby. I wept for the absolute beauty of such a thing and at the same time I felt my mother's loss even deeper. But I knew, in my heart and soul, that such a thing as this birth of a child.... any child.... could only be but from the grace of God. :nod:



I don't mind if others don't believe in God. But nothing will convince me to stop believing in God. Again.



I'd like to think He needed my mother more than I/we did for some greater heavenly purpose...... or that He took her when He did to prevent an even worse fate. Whatever gets us through the night, I suppose.



Even when I am feeling most alone..... and I'm sure we have all felt that way at one time or another..... I'd like to believe I'm really not alone.


Okay..... off I go now......
 
I do not believe in god. When my oldest daughter, with two babies, died of breat cancer, I offrered myself up, prayed as a sinner, to "god" all my sins if he would spare her. She died in agony and any tiny little faith I had, died too.
 
Every time a child is murdered or taken advantage of by some sexual pervert I put another check mark in the " there is no loving God " box.
 
sharpies said:
Here's an interesting arguement that I was having recently. To all those who believe in god, christians, muslims, etc, what would it take to convince you that god does not exist?

I have stated on many occasions that I can be convinced that there is a god & that all I need is testable evidence to prove it. What does it take to convince a believer?
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I've never been of the opinion that the existence of God could be proven or disproven. So I guess only the agnostics have it right. I suppose that I would need the same thing you do, testable evidence that disproves God.

Now, my belief in God isn't based on faith, it's based on experience, but not experience that can necessarily be quantified or measured, but only directly experienced. I have put the demand upon myself that I at least consider that those experiences are other than what I interpret, perhaps hallucinations, imagination, whatever, and that there is another explanation for what I believe to be God, including that it does not exist. I don't believe in supernatural things; I do think that there are things all humans experience that defy the interpretation of the traditional scientific method that are still quite real.
Peter Parka said:
Well seeing that "not believing" is a negative, its pretty much impossible to prove he dosen't exist, it's really up to the believer to prove he dose. As Richard Dawkins pointed out, you can say you believe in toasters orbiting the earth and you cant prove they dont exist, even though it's highly unlikely that they do.
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Are there toasters on the ISS? :D

tim :eek
 
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