Were Adam and Eve murdered by God?

[Greatest I am]

The whole story is an analogy anyway......

You take the Bible WAAAAY to literally DL

It isnt "Gods" word anyway....its written, edited, and published by MEN, and is only their interpretation

I do not read scriptures literally. I am not that silly.
I have to use them though to show those who do how silly and senseless it is to do so.

Do not throw the baby out with the bat water. Before Christianity made the fatal error of liberalizing scripture, as a myth it is quite good.
If you consider that the talking snake represents the greater society that Adam and Eve are to grow into, with it’s goods and evils, the story of a right of passage flows quite well.
All is perfect as children grow up in the home/garden. At some point, society/talking snake calls them out and that is when learning of the world starts. As the children reach maturity, they basically give up out of their single life to marry. If you are married, you will know that your life is no longer your own but now belongs to family, children and career.
You die to your old life just like Adam and Eve did. In reading where God is evicting Adam and Eve from Eden, if you read it in a stern angry God voice, you will get a notion that He is cursing them. If on the other hand, you read it in a Jesus type soft loving voice, you see that all God is doing is telling them the facts without a curse.
I guess it all depends on how you want to see God.
As a loser who could not get heaven right with Satan being born there and screwing God’s round one. And God also losing round two in Eden with His failure in starting up Adam and Eve on the right foot.
Or.
Seeing God as a winner with Satan firmly under His command as Job indicates in heaven and also doing God bidding in Eden in making sure Adam and Eve learn their lessons and get on with killing their innocence, dying. And being reborn to adulthood and a new life with their own family and career. The tree of life.
You might Google Gnostic gospels to see how closely you agree with their interpretation of Eden. The Gnostic Christians were much brighter than the Orthodox Christians of that day IMO.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Yes I can go with this. Even though it's an analogy, it really muddles any significant meaning of the creation of human beings at God's hand. It's just a fairy tail, but Christians are awed by this story as if... it really means something. What could that be?



I see no good reason why God would want to keep A&E ignorant. It really is beyond logic. Who would want a couple of dummies for kids? Maybe God will explain it to us one day or maybe some biblical scholar will produce a reasonable explanation, other than one of those mysteries of God. Retro do you know? Just curious.

http://www.gnosis.org/genesis.html

Just to give you a view of the competing stories that the Orthodox Church suppressed.
They took some complicated issues and simplified it to the point where it is meaningless.
Many call the Church the anti Christ for doing just that.
Scriptures are to be for thought. Not belief.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

The "Tree of Knowledge/Life" I believe is our spiritual path here, now, before and next

The analogy is they chose wordly material desires over true spirituality and knowledge....condemning them to spiritual "blindness" if you will.....

http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=tree%20of%20life&version1=9&searchtype=all

You will note that most references to tree of life has nothing to do with immortality and that we also know, thanks to biology and physics, that no man or any biological creature can live forever. Immortality is a wish only and has no place in reality.
Unfortunately or perhaps fortunately, it is pure fantasy. I don’t know about your history but if you think about it, who in hell would want to live in our bodies forever. Not me. I think we would all end up insane or literalists.


Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Looks like someone doesn't realise that the Adam and Eve was a symbolism of the creation of Earth

Why condemn mankind to die as part of the symbolism of creation?

God on the 8th day.
Look at all this good. Now to kill and condemn mankind. Ya ya. I like that.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

How about you not having an attitude?

How about you kissing my ass?

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

I sense that you have a remarkable hatred towards people :24:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2FT4FprxDg

Proverbs 3:12
For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Tough love is my way.

Regards
Dl

 

[Tuffdisc]

Why condemn mankind to die as part of the symbolism of creation?

God on the 8th day.
Look at all this good. Now to kill and condemn mankind. Ya ya. I like that.

Regards
DL

One of the many mysteries of life. Obviously, you don't seem to realise it isn't the 8th day, it was the 7th :24:

How about you kissing my ass?

Regards
DL

Sound just like you, huh? Sorry, but I am not gay

 

[Greatest I am]

One of the many mysteries of life. Obviously, you don't seem to realise it isn't the 8th day, it was the 7th :24:



Sound just like you, huh? Sorry, but I am not gay

Then get your head out of God's ass.

Regards
DL

 

[Tuffdisc]

Then get your head out of God's ass.

Regards
DL

Errr.....you don't believe in God, unless you think you are God and you don't understand why I said "I am not gay" :24:

 

[cam elle toe]

http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=tree%20of%20life&version1=9&searchtype=all

You will note that most references to tree of life has nothing to do with immortality and that we also know, thanks to biology and physics, that no man or any biological creature can live forever. Immortality is a wish only and has no place in reality.
Unfortunately or perhaps fortunately, it is pure fantasy. I don’t know about your history but if you think about it, who in hell would want to live in our bodies forever. Not me. I think we would all end up insane or literalists.


Regards
DL

Where did I mention anything about immortal life in the same bodies....
Maybe YOU should take your own advice and read and COMPREHEND:nod:

 

[mazHur]

Those whom God loves Die Young!!

 

[Minor Axis]

http://www.gnosis.org/genesis.html

Just to give you a view of the competing stories that the Orthodox Church suppressed.
They took some complicated issues and simplified it to the point where it is meaningless.
Many call the Church the anti Christ for doing just that.
Scriptures are to be for thought. Not belief.

Regards
DL

Thanks. Hopefully I'll remember to check this link out.

 

[cam elle toe]

Anything by the Gnostics and Essenes makes for enlightening reading.:nod:

 

[cam elle toe]

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen049.html

Heres a link I found about Edgar Cayce....he touches on Jesus missing years in some of his books...and also covers the meaning of the "Original Sin"

 

[Greatest I am]

Errr.....you don't believe in God, unless you think you are God and you don't understand why I said "I am not gay" :24:

If you believe in God then you know where to find Him.
Jesus tells you.---------- Have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?

What is the name of your God?

I notice you like to laugh a lot now show us if you can think.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Anything by the Gnostics and Essenes makes for enlightening reading.:nod:

I agree.
Wisdom is found in diverse places. All books of wisdom have the odd piece of our over all puzzle.:thumbup

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen049.html

Heres a link I found about Edgar Cayce....he touches on Jesus missing years in some of his books...and also covers the meaning of the "Original Sin"

Way too literalist for me as Gnostic Christians did not take their scriptures literally and neither did the Hebrews and Jews whose writings form the basis of our plagiarized Bible.

I do agree that Egypt is the basic root of most of what came later.
This speaks to that idea.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x84m5k_2007doc-zone-pagan-christ-1-of-3_news

Regards
DL

 

[Minor Axis]

http://www.gnosis.org/genesis.html

Just to give you a view of the competing stories that the Orthodox Church suppressed.
They took some complicated issues and simplified it to the point where it is meaningless.
Many call the Church the anti Christ for doing just that.
Scriptures are to be for thought. Not belief.

Regards
DL

Wow, an incredible link. Thanks much! I plan on going back and reading it in depth and pondering the possibilities. Anyone who wants exposure to some other interpretations of Genesis, should read this link.

My impression is that Christianity as part of the politics of the sexes did a real disservice to women. Woman created from Adam's rib (secondary, after thought, lesser) and Eve was responsible for the downfall of man. If you believe Dan Brown (author of the Di Vince Code, not mentioned in link) when the church decided Jesus was the one, it became all about men.

 

[Peter Parka]

Prove it...lol

There are teeny weeney toasters orbiting the earth, you cant prove the're arn't. lol

 

[mazHur]