Went to a Ron Paul Rally Today in OKC

[The Man]

Okay. Then you're a religious right neocon. Those are the only people that think Obama is a Muslim.

I am neither right nor left.
I dont know if the guy is a muslim,,but we do know he at least was at one time

 

[retro]

I am neither right nor left.
I dont know if the guy is a muslim,,but we do know he at least was at one time

Nope. You said that generalizations are accurate... Therefore you are a religious right neocon because they're the leaders on the Obama is a Muslim train. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

 

[satinbutterfly]

Nope. You said that generalizations are accurate... Therefore you are a religious right neocon because they're the leaders on the Obama is a Muslim train. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

:24:

Repped.

 

[The Man]

Nope. You said that generalizations are accurate... Therefore you are a religious right neocon because they're the leaders on the Obama is a Muslim train. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

I said often accurate....which is accurate of what happens at many of the OWS gatherings.

The fact that Obama was at least at one time a muslim and stating such doesn't make a person a right wing nut....Its merely the truth...just as it is the truth regarding many of the OWS gatherings.

Therefore we would have to say that religious right neocons speak truth...which they must..I accept the label for not that I am a religious right but for what it represents.

Thanks

 

[retro]

Whatever you say. I know a religious right neocon when I see one. And what you're posting is indicative of one.

 

[CityGirl]

The Man et al.,

OWS is so much more than the isolated events that you choose to latch on to. For example, here is a project list posted by OWS NYC http://www.nycga.net/files/2012/02/Projects_episode1.pdf

These are the things you are not going to be exposed to only because you refuse to see and most likely because you let news sites like The Drudge Report influence your manner of thinking as they only focus on news stories that cast a bad light on the movement and don't pay attention to the myriad of good the movement is doing. (Today's headlines noted)

In Georgia, the Tea Party has joined the unions and OWS in opposition to SB 469; legislation that is a deemed by many to be a direct assault on 1st amendment rights.

On March 7, the Georgia Senate passed SB 469, a bill backed by the state’s Chamber of Commerce and introduced by state senators including Waffle House executive Don Balfour. Along with a battery of other anti-union measures, the bill bans picketing that targets private residences and causes “intimidation” or disturbs the “quiet enjoyment” of local residents. (“Quiet enjoyment” apparently being a more fundamental right than freedom of speech.) SB 469 would increase potential punishments for picketing or “conspiracy,” and it would make it easier for companies to request and receive injunctions from judges halting demonstrations. In a letter to Balfour, Ted Jackson, the sheriff of Georgia’s largest county, wrote that “The role of law enforcement shouldn’t be to police free speech but the intent of this bill seems to be just that.”http://www.salon.com/2012/03/22/atlanta_tea_party_sticks_up_for_workers_rights/singleton/

You want to talk about some low down disgusting rotten scoundrels...

The Sons of Liberty

In Boston in early summer of 1765 a group of shopkeepers and artisans who called themselves The Loyal Nine, began preparing for agitation against the Stamp Act. As that group grew, it came to be known as the Sons of Liberty. And grow it did! These were not the leading men of Boston, but rather workers and tradesmen. It was unseemly that they would be so agitated by a parliamentary act. Though their ranks did not include Samuel and John Adams, the fact may have been a result of a mutually beneficial agreement. The Adams' and other radical members of the legislature were daily in the public eye; they could not afford to be too closely associated with violence, neither could the secretive Sons of Liberty afford much public exposure. However, amongst the members were two men who could generate much public sentiment about the Act. Benjamin Edes, a printer, and John Gill of the Boston Gazette produced a steady stream of news and opinion. Within a very short time a group of some two thousand men had been organized under Ebenezer McIntosh, a South Boston shoemaker.

The first widely known acts of the Sons took place on August 14, 1765, when an effigy of Andrew Oliver (who was to be commissioned Distributor of Stamps for Massachusetts) was found hanging in a tree on Newbury street, along with a large boot with a devil climbing out of it. The boot was a play on the name of the Earl of Bute and the whole display was intended to establish an evil connection between Oliver and the Stamp Act. The sheriffs were told to remove the display but protested in fear of their lives, for a large crowd had formed at the scene. Before the evening a mob burned Oliver's property on Kilby street, then moved on to his house. There they beheaded the effigy and stoned the house as its occupants looked out in horror. They then moved to nearby Fort Hill were they built a large fire and burned what was left of the effigy. Most of the crowd dissipated at that point, however McIntosh and crew, then under cover of darkness, ransacked Oliver's abandoned home until midnight. On that evening it became very clear who ruled Boston. The British Militia, the Sheriffs and Justices, kept a low profile. No one dared respond to such violent force.

By the end of that year the Sons of Liberty existed in every colony. (See OWS US Map as of October 2011 http://myplayfulself.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/OWS-map.jpg and global map http://occupywallst.org/attendees/) Their most popular objective was to force Stamp Distributors throughout the colonies to resign. The groups also applied pressure to any Merchants who did not comply with the non-importation associations. Wherever these groups existed they were either directed in secret by leading men in the community or actually lead by them. However, there were opportunists everywhere, too, who would use the name Sons of Liberty to carry out acts of revenge and other violence not related to the cause. (Imagine that!) For example, in South Carolina a group of sailors, calling themselves The Sons of Liberty, formed a mob to coerce money from people on the streets*. Such behavior could certainly undermine the cause, so the Sons spent a great deal of time policing themselves and pretenders. This was the origin on names such as "True Sons," and "True-born Sons" of Liberty.
http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/related/sons.htm

Sometimes, the actions and reactions of the Sons of Liberty to the Stamp Act took a violent turn as recorded in a local New York City merchant's diary in April, 1765. Violence broke out with the arrival of a shipment of stamped paper to the Royal Governor's residence. Cadwallder Colden, the acting Royal Governor of the New York colony and scholarly correspondent of Benjamin Franklin and Dr. Samuel Johnson, was extremely frightened of the patriotic group and so locked himself up securely inside Fort George immediately after he received the stamped paper from British officials. A few hours after receiving the official papers, a raucous mob captured the governor's gilded and spectacular coach and reduced it to a pile of ashes. From here the mob (consisting largely of extremist elements of the New York Sons of Liberty) raced uptown to the home of Fort George's commander, smashing numerous windows and breaking into the wine cellar to sustain their "patriotism" before descending on the rest of the house in a convulsion of vandalism.[SUP]7[/SUP] Tarring and feathering Loyalists — those individuals who sympathized and were supportive of the British Crown, royal tax collectors, and other officials — was a common practice carried out by the more radical elements of the organizations. http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/fall96/sons.html

Today, many of the tactics of the Sons of Liberty would be viewed as terrorism and under the new legislation passed by both the Bush and Obama administrations, these people would be targets under the NDAA and other such laws and we'd be subjects of the crown.

Oh, and by the way, even though you didn't mention it many who are antiOWS love to refer to isolated incidents of the use of human excrement(see today's Drudge Report). In regards to the use of feces as an expression of contempt, which is quite disgusting, really, but if it is good enough for The Almighty God, then it is good enough for OWS protesters.

Behold I will corrupt thy seed and smear feces upon your faces Malachi 2:3

 

[The Man]

The Man et al.,

OWS is so much more than the isolated events that you choose to latch on to. For example, here is a project list posted by OWS NYC

Nationwide misconduct is far from isolated incidents.
Anyway I will have to say they have straightened out their act some..but I do recall recently a large bunch was yet ran off again..I believe it was NYC.

The problem is they need focus and organization....its a shame that they are not..as there are things that do need changed..but rebellious behavior inst the solution.

Even the most hated organization of all [KKK} whom I do not support] manages to have peaceful assemblies.

Just for a moment imagine what the OWS could have accomplished with those large numbers had they had proper direction

 

[Mercury]

Just for moment imagine what the OWS could have accomplished with those large numbers had they had proper direction

This is a good point. This is what I was hoping for when I first noticed the OWS movement that was growing around the entire world.

The primary message behind OWS is a very valid one.

 

[CityGirl]

Nationwide misconduct is far from isolated incidents.
Anyway I will have to say they have straightened out their act some..but I do recall recently a large bunch was yet ran off again..I believe it was NYC.

The problem is they need focus and organizations....its a shame that they are not..as there are things that do need changed..but rebellious behavior inst the solutions.

Even the most hated organization of all [KKK} whom I do not support] manages to have peaceful assemblies.

Just for moment imagine what the OWS could have accomplished with those large numbers had they had proper direction

OWS groups nationwide as of October 10, 2011.
Considering the enormity of the movement, the events are indeed isolated.

This is a good point. This is what I was hoping for when I first noticed the OWS movement that was growing around the entire world.

The primary message behind OWS is a very valid one.

We will have to wait and see what impact, if any, the movement will make. They are far from retreating, though.

 

[Accountable]

Just for moment imagine what the OWS could have accomplished with those large numbers had they had proper direction

:24: Yeh, just imagine how successful anarchists would be if they only had good leadership. :24:

 

[CityGirl]

This weekend

 

[The Man]

Other day



On Saturday, hundreds of protesters marked the six-month anniversary of Occupy Wall Street by attempting to retake Zuccotti Park. By the end of the night, 73 had been arrested and the park forcefully cleared. In scenes that recalled the early days of the movement last fall, citizen journalists captured the New York City Police Department roughing up dozens of apparently peaceful activists. One of them, Craig Judelman, posted a bloody photo of himself on Facebook with the caption, "just got punched in the face like 5 times by NYPD." Journalists J.A. Myerson and Ryan Devereaux have good summaries of other alleged brutality, including officers throwing punches, "rubbing" a boot on someone's head, dragging a woman by the hair, and breaking a guy's thumb. Many other incidents were caught on tape. Here are some of the most disturbing:


http://motherjones.com/mojo/2012/03/watch-police-get-violent-ows-retakes-zuccotti-park

 

[retro]

Other day



On Saturday, hundreds of protesters marked the six-month anniversary of Occupy Wall Street by attempting to retake Zuccotti Park. By the end of the night, 73 had been arrested and the park forcefully cleared. In scenes that recalled the early days of the movement last fall, citizen journalists captured the New York City Police Department roughing up dozens of apparently peaceful activists. One of them, Craig Judelman, posted a bloody photo of himself on Facebook with the caption, "just got punched in the face like 5 times by NYPD." Journalists J.A. Myerson and Ryan Devereaux have good summaries of other alleged brutality, including officers throwing punches, "rubbing" a boot on someone's head, dragging a woman by the hair, and breaking a guy's thumb. Many other incidents were caught on tape. Here are some of the most disturbing:


http://motherjones.com/mojo/2012/03/watch-police-get-violent-ows-retakes-zuccotti-park

That proves that the NYPD acted out of line and the police violence had nothing to do with the OWS participants.

 

[The Man]

That proves that the NYPD acted out of line and the police violence had nothing to do with the OWS participants.

Thats a matter of opinion..when you are told to leave by the cops..either leave or stay and fight to be arrested.
They chose the latter..the NYPD responded according to their choice

 

[retro]

Thats a matter of opinion..when you are told to leave by the cops..either leave or stay and fight to be arrested.
They chose the latter..the NYPD responded according to their choice

When police feel it necessary to "rough up" peaceful protesters, that's a choice made by the NYPD... nobody else. Dragging someone by their hair, rubbing their boot on someone's head, and punching people are all unnecessary displays of force by the police. My apologies for forcing you to listen to a little logic.

 

[The Man]

When police feel it necessary to "rough up" peaceful protesters, that's a choice made by the NYPD... nobody else. Dragging someone by their hair, rubbing their boot on someone's head, and punching people are all unnecessary displays of force by the police. My apologies for forcing you to listen to a little logic.

When did they decide to become peaceful?
Roughing them up LOL
Must have been 72 idiots to stay and be beat up plus arrested rather than walk away.
Whats the logical choice

 

[retro]

When did they decide to become peaceful?
Roughing them up LOL
Must have been 72 idiots to stay and be beat up plus arrested rather than walk away.
Whats the logical choice

From your own article...

itizen journalists captured the New York City Police Department roughing up dozens of apparently peaceful activists.

You should really pay attention to the shit that you post. :24:

 

[The Man]

From your own article...




You should really pay attention to the shit that you post. :24:

Apparently peaceful?..arent they always?

None the less...if you are standing there all peaceful and they come in and start whipping ass...might be a good time to exit.
Anyone with a lick of sense would...unless they wanted their ass beat..They got what they wanted...How is this a problem.
They specifically went there to get an ass whipping and be little drama queens

 

[retro]

Apparently peaceful?..arent they always?

None the less...if you are standing there all peaceful and they come in and start whipping ass...might be a good time to exit.
Anyone with a lick of sense would...unless they wanted their ass beat..They got what they wanted...How is this a problem.
They specifically went there to get an ass whipping and be little drama queens

So it's okay for the NYPD to go in and start beating the shit out of people? Give me a break. Do you want to live in a police state where the authorities can get away with whatever the fuck they feel like?

Oh wait, you're a neocon... that's exactly what your ilk wants.

 

[The Man]

So it's okay for the NYPD to go in and start beating the shit out of people? Give me a break. Do you want to live in a police state where the authorities can get away with whatever the fuck they feel like?

Oh wait, you're a neocon... that's exactly what your ilk wants.

They had the park for months....they should get jobs and pay rent somewhere.
The NYPD doesnt go beating the shit out of people at will.
People are told to leave...the choice is up to the individual to stay or fight...they choose to fight

Those pussies dont pull that shit in my state....we will fuck em up for real.

The OWS assemblies here are peaceful for that very reason they are given several hours....and camping only where told ok to camp.

When its time to go....they leave like little bitches....earning the title of peaceful protestors