We sulk over Trayvon Martin

[Alien Allen]

Damn - some people are just dense it seems. The Martin case is getting the attention because Zimmerman walked away scot-free without ever being arrested. Martins parents felt this was wrong because there were too many unanswered questions and the Sanford PD and the prosecutor gave the impression they were going to sweep the entire issue under the rug.

It would appear this is bullshit. Or have you not read the news lately. The PD wanted him charged and the state said there was not yet enough evidence.

The black community is upset for the same reason and have rallied behind Martin's parents. The news made its rounds through social media. I found out about it on Facebook shortly after it happened. Petitions began circulating and accumulated MILLIONS of signatures. Then the media jumped onto the story and brought the discussion mainstream.

So you blindly jumped on the bandwagon based on the initial bull shit was out there?

Then, out come all the "outraged" conservative bigots making completely asinine "where's the outrage about this" where's the outrage about that" comparisons which are racist and bigoted comparisons themselves.

Once the story picked up steam more and more evidence came out which cast doubt on what happened. Which you choose to ignore. You have a right to your opinion but some of us think there is more to the story than the press first reported.

What's completely ignorant is that in nearly all the "where's the outrage" posts, the perpetrators were arrested, charged, tried and convicted. I guess being blinded by hate, racism and bigotry does that to them.

wow are we not the high and mighty

Most people making these claims can't understand that they are coming across as bigoted, angry and ignorant assholes and are bigger race pimps than those they accuse of race pimping.

It is race pimped at its best. Those two make a living off preying on cases like this. Where the hell are Sharpton and Jackson when babies and kids in Detroit are getting killed in drive bys?

 

[Honey Bunny]

Damn - some people are just dense it seems. The Martin case is getting the attention because Zimmerman walked away scot-free without ever being arrested. Martins parents felt this was wrong because there were too many unanswered questions and the Sanford PD and the prosecutor gave the impression they were going to sweep the entire issue under the rug.

The black community is upset for the same reason and have rallied behind Martin's parents. The news made its rounds through social media. I found out about it on Facebook shortly after it happened. Petitions began circulating and accumulated MILLIONS of signatures. Then the media jumped onto the story and brought the discussion mainstream.

Then, out come all the "outraged" conservative bigots making completely asinine "where's the outrage about this" where's the outrage about that" comparisons which are racist and bigoted comparisons themselves.

What's completely ignorant is that in nearly all the "where's the outrage" posts, the perpetrators were arrested, charged, tried and convicted. I guess being blinded by hate, racism and bigotry does that to them.

Most people making these claims can't understand that they are coming across as bigoted, angry and ignorant assholes and are bigger race pimps than those they accuse of race pimping.

IMO BOTH cases are equally as tragic, both cases should be causing outrage, not just the one where the black kid was shot by the white guy, who isn't even white. if you are too dense to see that and NOT play the stinking race card, that's your issue.

 

[Johnfromokc]

Speaking of white outraged conservative bigotry - how ya doin' Allen?

It would appear this is bullshit. Or have you not read the news lately. The PD wanted him charged and the state said there was not yet enough evidence.

"Not yet enough evidence"? That's not the way I read the story.

Investigator Chris Serino was told not press charges against Zimmerman by Florida's state attorney general, who said there was not enough evidence to secure a conviction. They didn't say "not enough yet". They appeared to be finished with the investigation then and there.

Think about that Allen. What if it was your 17 year old son was killed like that and the AG said "oh well", "that's tragic but we just aren't going to pursue this any further". Would you just walk away? Or would you demand answers like Martins family did?

So you blindly jumped on the bandwagon based on the initial bull shit was out there?

I knew about this long before the media picked it up. What you indignant white conservatives always gloss over is the fact that Zimmerman was told to not follow Martin by the police operator. He was also told by the SPD Crime Prevention Officer to NEVER approach a suspect. But he did it anyway and it resulted in a sensless death. But you indignant white conservatives overlook that and blame the victim.

Once the story picked up steam more and more evidence came out which cast doubt on what happened. Which you choose to ignore. You have a right to your opinion but some of us think there is more to the story than the press first reported.

What has come out is a lot of spin spawned from right wing and gun wack job web forums. All of which intentionally ignore the FACTS that Zimmerman was told to not follow Martin by the police operator and he was also told by the SPD Crime Prevention Officer to NEVER approach a suspect.

wow are we not the high and mighty

And aren't you the indignat white conservative.

It is race pimped at its best. Those two make a living off preying on cases like this. Where the hell are Sharpton and Jackson when babies and kids in Detroit are getting killed in drive bys?

LOL - yet another "where's the outrage" diatribe.

You just cannot see that is worse race pimping than you accuse Al and Jesse of can you Allen?

 

[The Man]

Damn - some people are just dense it seems. The Martin case is getting the attention because Zimmerman walked away scot-free without ever being arrested. Martins parents felt this was wrong because there were too many unanswered questions and the Sanford PD and the prosecutor gave the impression they were going to sweep the entire issue under the rug.

The black community is upset for the same reason and have rallied behind Martin's parents. The news made its rounds through social media. I found out about it on Facebook shortly after it happened. Petitions began circulating and accumulated MILLIONS of signatures. Then the media jumped onto the story and brought the discussion mainstream.

Then, out come all the "outraged" conservative bigots making completely asinine "where's the outrage about this" where's the outrage about that" comparisons which are racist and bigoted comparisons themselves.

What's completely ignorant is that in nearly all the "where's the outrage" posts, the perpetrators were arrested, charged, tried and convicted. I guess being blinded by hate, racism and bigotry does that to them.

Most people making these claims can't understand that they are coming across as bigoted, angry and ignorant assholes and are bigger race pimps than those they accuse of race pimping.

Damn - some people are just dense it seems. The Martin case is getting the attention because Zimmerman walked away scot-free without ever being arrested

No evidence of a crime...had there been or if any develops he will be arrested....Murder cases are very serious ..we dont arrest someone for murder then sort it out later...there has to be some evidence

Martins parents felt this was wrong because there were too many unanswered questions and the Sanford PD and the prosecutor gave the impression they were going to sweep the entire issue under the rug.

Sure they are upset...but we dont change the law because of some unhappy parents John
Nothing has been swept under the rug...nothing there to sweep
If actual evidence develops and then it is swept under the rug..I will then voice an unhappiness.

The black community is upset for the same reason and have rallied behind Martin's parents

Why are they upset...there is nothing to arrest the guy for.

The news made its rounds through social media. I found out about it on Facebook shortly after it happened. Petitions began circulating and accumulated MILLIONS of signatures. Then the media jumped onto the story and brought the discussion mainstream.

Which only adds to the false hysteria....had the truth been presented in the beginning there would be no hysteria.
Hysteria does not equal guilt...this isnt the mideast,,this is the united states

Then, out come all the "outraged" conservative bigots making completely asinine "where's the outrage about this" where's the outrage about that" comparisons which are racist and bigoted comparisons themselves.

So expect everyone to join the bandwagon and agree on a lynch job? /and agree that a fat white boy guns down child on way back from candy store..as that is how it was presented.

Why is someone that dont agree with false media reports a conservative bigot?

What's completely ignorant is that in nearly all the "where's the outrage" posts, the perpetrators were arrested, charged, tried and convicted. I guess being blinded by hate, racism and bigotry does that to them.

LOL...an actual crime will do that
Speaking of out rage..why are you not outraged with this crime...but are outraged when someone isnt arrested that has no evidence against him.....hell he was beat up and screaming john..thus why the 911 call

Most people making these claims can't understand that they are coming across as bigoted, angry and ignorant assholes and are bigger race pimps than those they accuse of race pimping.

How John?
You are outraged that this article was brought to attention...you are outraged than a man in the other thread hasnt been arrested when there is no evidence against him.
There is no outrage here..only a presentation

 

[The Man]

It would appear this is bullshit. Or have you not read the news lately. The PD wanted him charged and the state said there was not yet enough evidence.
So you blindly jumped on the bandwagon based on the initial bull shit was out there?
Once the story picked up steam more and more evidence came out which cast doubt on what happened. Which you choose to ignore. You have a right to your opinion but some of us think there is more to the story than the press first reported.

wow are we not the high and mighty
It is race pimped at its best. Those two make a living off preying on cases like this. Where the hell are Sharpton and Jackson when babies and kids in Detroit are getting killed in drive bys?

It would appear this is bullshit. Or have you not read the news lately. The PD wanted him charged and the state said there was not yet enough evidence.

That is going to fall on deaf ears AA
Whats sad is the PD wants to arrest a guy without evidence just to sooth a community that was fooled with liberal hysteria...Good thing the state is doing the right thing here

 

[The Man]

Investigator Chris Serino was told not press charges against Zimmerman by Florida's state attorney general, who said there was not enough evidence to secure a conviction. They didn't say "not enough yet". They appeared to be finished with the investigation then and there.

So you want them to arrest without evidence?
What evidence is there for an arrest?

 

[Johnfromokc]

So you want them to arrest without evidence?
What evidence is there for an arrest?

And you think Zimmerman should not be held responsible for causing the incident by following Martin when he was told not to, and after Martin was personally told prior to that by the Crime Prevention Officer to NEVER approach a subject?

There's some serious common sense lacking here.

 

[The Man]

And you think Zimmerman should not be held responsible for causing the incident by following Martin when he was told not to, and after Martin was personally told prior to that by the Crime Prevention Officer to NEVER approach a subject?

There's some serious common sense lacking here.

LOL..How is that evidence of murder?..................nor
Following after someone suspicious is not a crime John.
They are advised as such for their own safety as to avoid lawsuits later.
If the cops said
"Follow him Zimmerman please"... then Zimmerman gets shot and killed.....equals lawsuit.

 

[Johnfromokc]

IMO BOTH cases are equally as tragic, both cases should be causing outrage, not just the one where the black kid was shot by the white guy, who isn't even white. if you are too dense to see that and NOT play the stinking race card, that's your issue.

In one case, the perpetrator has already been arrested and will be tried by a jury of his peers. Zimmerman was NEVER arrested. Huge difference in those stories.

George Zimmerman followed an unarmed teenager after being instructed not to do that by the police operator, and prior to that being instructed personally by the SPD Crime Prevention Officer to NEVER approach a suspect. What happened after that was the sole responsibility of Zimmerman.

All this "where's the outrage about this or that" is misplaced and in the vast majority of scenarios, the perpetrators have already been tried and convicted and are serving prison sentences. So all these "where's the outrage" stories, while quite horrible, are in no way valid comparisons to the Zimmerman case because Zimmerman was never arrested.

 

[Godsloveapples]

God that's so horrible. ...breaks my heart..

 

[Johnfromokc]

LOL..How is that evidence of murder?..................nor
Following after someone suspicious is not a crime John.
They are advised as such for their own safety as to avoid lawsuits later.
If the cops said
"Follow him Zimmerman please"... then Zimmerman gets shot and killed.....equals lawsuit.

You just cannot grasp how convoluted and non-sensical your argumet is TM.

Zimmerman was let go with little follow up. The one homocide investigator did not believe Zimmerman and wanted to charge him but was told to drop it by the state AG. There was a mishandling of this case and now the feds are rightfully involved.

Do you think state AG's do the right thing 100% of the time and are always above reproach TM?

What if it was your son gunned down in this scenario by a man who disregarded his training to never approach a subject? Would you just bury your son and let it go?

 

[The Man]

In one case, the perpetrator has already been arrested and will be tried by a jury of his peers. Zimmerman was NEVER arrested. Huge difference in those stories.

George Zimmerman followed an unarmed teenager after being instructed not to do that by the police operator, and prior to that being instructed personally by the SPD Crime Prevention Officer to NEVER approach a suspect. What happened after that was the sole responsibility of Zimmerman.

All this "where's the outrage about this or that" is misplaced and in the vast majority of scenarios, the perpetrators have already been tried and convicted and are serving prison sentences. So all these "where's the outrage" stories, while quite horrible, are in no way valid comparisons to the Zimmerman case because Zimmerman was never arrested.

In one case, the perpetrator has already been arrested and will be tried by a jury of his peers. Zimmerman was NEVER arrested. Huge difference in those stories.

Yes there is a huge difference..one has evidence of murder the other doesnt.

George Zimmerman followed an unarmed teenager after being instructed not to do that by the police operator, and prior to that being instructed personally by the SPD Crime Prevention Officer to NEVER approach a suspect. What happened after that was the sole responsibility of Zimmerman.

Well for one he wasnt a suspect...he was a suspicious person

But any way how is that evidence for murder?..........The police were giving him a suggestion for his safety.
Am I going to have to start copy and pasting my own posts?....this has been explained several times

All this "where's the outrage about this or that" is misplaced and in the vast majority of scenarios,

Like your outrage

the perpetrators have already been tried and convicted and are serving prison sentences

It is a new case..he was only arrested for the savage murders of the elderly couple..no conviction.

So all these "where's the outrage" stories, while quite horrible, are in no way valid comparisons to the Zimmerman case because Zimmerman was never arrested

Where is the malice for murder in regard to Zimmerman?

 

[The Man]

You just cannot grasp how convoluted and non-sensical your argumet is TM.

Zimmerman was let go with little follow up. The one homocide investigator did not believe Zimmerman and wanted to charge him but was told to drop it by the state AG. There was a mishandling of this case and now the feds are rightfully involved.

Do you think state AG's do the right thing 100% of the time and are always above reproach TM?

What if it was your son gunned down in this scenario by a man who disregarded his training to never approach a subject? Would you just bury your son and let it go?

How is this a response of asking you for evidence of a crime?

 

[The Man]

And you think Zimmerman should not be held responsible for causing the incident by following Martin when he was told not to, and after Martin was personally told prior to that by the Crime Prevention Officer to NEVER approach a subject?

There's some serious common sense lacking here.

That would be a civil matter and not a criminal matter

 

[af12]

Zimmerman would have been better off carrying a video camera than a gun. I have seen suspicious looking people in my neck of the woods and just whipped out my phone and snapped a photo of them. I do think Zimmerman was well within his rights to defend himself though.

 

[porterjack]

Zimmerman would have been better off carrying a video camera than a gun. I have seen suspicious looking people in my neck of the woods and just whipped out my phone and snapped a photo of them. I do think Zimmerman was well within his rights to defend himself though.

some would say he would also need a friend to follow him with a video camera, so he could record the theft of the first camera from Zimmerman - this is why you guys need guns, only guns keep you safe

 

[Johnfromokc]

Zimmerman would have been better off carrying a video camera than a gun. I have seen suspicious looking people in my neck of the woods and just whipped out my phone and snapped a photo of them. I do think Zimmerman was well within his rights to defend himself though.

Did Trayvon Martin have the right to defend himself?

 

[The Man]

Did Trayvon Martin have the right to defend himself?

If attacked yes.
Do you have anything to support that Trayvon was attacked?

 

[Johnfromokc]

If attacked yes.
Do you have anything to support that Trayvon was attacked?

It all goes back to Zimmerman failing to follow the instructions of the police operator and failing to follow the instrictions of the SPD Crime Prevention Officer. Since Zimmerman approached Martin, he is responsible for the entire event. A jury of his peers should decide Zimmermans fate - not some state AG concerned only with his win record - or perhaps an AG who was returning a favor to an Orange county Florida Magistrate (Zimmermans father)

 

[The Man]

It all goes back to Zimmerman failing to follow the instructions of the police operator and failing to follow the instrictions of the SPD Crime Prevention Officer. Since Zimmerman approached Martin, he is responsible for the entire event. A jury of his peers should decide Zimmermans fate - not some state AG concerned only with his win record - or perhaps an AG who was returning a favor to an Orange county Florida Magistrate (Zimmermans father)

That only shows that he went to go see of Treyvons whereabouts/ not that he attacked him
My post was in response to your following post

Did Trayvon Martin have the right to defend himself?

I asked if you had anything to support that he was attacked.

None the less had he not notified dispatch of this guy and went to get a better look the event would still have occurred if all other conditions remained the same.

You are giving the "not following the advice of dispatch" unfound weight

This would be no different than me having a prowler outside..calling dispatch and asking do you want me to look and see what color shoes he has on...They say "you dont need to do that sir"...but I do anyway..
Whats the crime?

If the guy sees me looking at him then attacks me .... I have the right to defend myself.

The reason they tell you no..is to avoid lawsuits in case the suspects harms you....They will not tell you yeah...if you want to be brave go ahead..but give me a verbal waiver real fast in case you are hurt.