Was Noah insane or a traitor for finishing the Ark?

[Accountable]

YouTube - Bill Cosby - Noah Me And You Lord

 

[All Else Failed]

What is the morals of this myth?
What is the lesson?

Regards
DL

Abandon your community and let others die.

 

[Greatest I am]

Abandon your community and let others die.

A good philosophy.

Not.

Ta ta
Jailbird

 

[pjbleek]

A good philosophy.

Not.

Ta ta
Jailbird

why not answer my private message?

 

[Greatest I am]

why not answer my private message?

I do not see one in my file and if it was there and I cancelled it without an answer then it was likely a silly question.

Do again or place it here for all to see and judge.

Ta ta
Jailbird

 

[All Else Failed]

A good philosophy.

Not.

Ta ta
Jailbird

No, I don't subscribe to that philosophy. I just think that is the message of the story.

 

[Greatest I am]

No, I don't subscribe to that philosophy. I just think that is the message of the story.

Good.

For evil to grow, all good men need do is nothing.

In this case, Noah doing nothing was the thing to do.

Regards
DL

 

[All Else Failed]

Good.

For evil to grow, all good men need do is nothing.

In this case, Noah doing nothing was the thing to do.

Regards
DL

This assumes that humans actually have free will, since I assume you think humanity deserved it because they were acting evilly.

 

[Greatest I am]

This assumes that humans actually have free will, since I assume you think humanity deserved it because they were acting evilly.

WTF.

I think people deserved a judgment from an imaginary God?

Eh, no.

For starters, no alien God has any right to tell humans what to do or how to be.

Man does not tell other animals what they should be so to have God tell us is just as stupid.

As to free will, we do have it.
The proof is simply to give it up. You cannot give up what you do not have.

Scripture, and reality, indicates that man has dominion here on earth.
That means that it is to man to decide what is evil or not. Not some absentee God.

Regards
DL

 

[All Else Failed]

WTF.

I think people deserved a judgment from an imaginary God?

Eh, no.

For starters, no alien God has any right to tell humans what to do or how to be.

Man does not tell other animals what they should be so to have God tell us is just as stupid.

As to free will, we do have it.
The proof is simply to give it up. You cannot give up what you do not have.

Scripture, and reality, indicates that man has dominion here on earth.
That means that it is to man to decide what is evil or not. Not some absentee God.

Regards
DL

I think that you will find that most professionals that deal with neurology and other like feilds will disagree with you that free will as we think it is exists at all. We are bundles of nerves that act upon stimuli, chemical reactions, past experiences, our genetics and electric impulses. "Free will" has no place in reality. Certain parts of the brain are responsible for how we act.

 

[Greatest I am]

I think that you will find that most professionals that deal with neurology and other like feilds will disagree with you that free will as we think it is exists at all. We are bundles of nerves that act upon stimuli, chemical reactions, past experiences, our genetics and electric impulses. "Free will" has no place in reality. Certain parts of the brain are responsible for how we act.

There is a definitive way for you to prove to yourself that you have free will.

All you need do is give it up.

You cannot give up what you do not have right?

In fact, your free will can help others discover theirs as well. Just do as I do here.

Just get them to also give it up somehow.

For instance. Let me control you---give it up--, for just a bit.

Before you reply, just on my asking, begin your post with the letter Y.

If you do, I will know that you gave up your will to me and that you actually have a free will and that way I will not think that I am imposing my will on whoever else you think has control of your free will.

Regards
DL

 

[All Else Failed]

There is a definitive way for you to prove to yourself that you have free will.

All you need do is give it up.

You cannot give up what you do not have right?

In fact, your free will can help others discover theirs as well. Just do as I do here.

Just get them to also give it up somehow.

For instance. Let me control you---give it up--, for just a bit.

Before you reply, just on my asking, begin your post with the letter Y.

If you do, I will know that you gave up your will to me and that you actually have a free will and that way I will not think that I am imposing my will on whoever else you think has control of your free will.

Regards
DL

No if I "give up to you" that is because the impulse for me to go on wasn't as stong as the one that chose to "give up".


The fact is that everything we do is guided by chemical and electrical reactions. There is absolutely no possible way for us to control these reactions. With this in mind, I do not see how anyone can possibly say that we truly have free will.

 

[Greatest I am]

No if I "give up to you" that is because the impulse for me to go on wasn't as stong as the one that chose to "give up".


The fact is that everything we do is guided by chemical and electrical reactions. There is absolutely no possible way for us to control these reactions. With this in mind, I do not see how anyone can possibly say that we truly have free will.

And yet you chose to not comply right?

if you were not controlling your lack of compliance to prove free will, then what chemical process decided not to?
Why was it stronger than your will to comply.

You had nothing to lose either way so why not give it up? There would have been a gain for you in knowing that you are in control. Why not accept it? Fear of not having something to blame for poor decisions?

Regards
DL

 

[alice in chains]

If God told me to build an Ark, how would I know it was actually "God"? This leads me to question, why would any Christian believe the man who is the actual return of Christ...wouldn't they just call him insane or is it that it's too hard to accept that it's not actually true, or...if it were true, people didn't want it to be real.

 

[Minor Axis]

Would you do what Noah did?

First you'd have to believe you were being commanded by the divine being who controls your existence.

Noah is a fine religious story, with an interesting premise, but little, if anything to be to be learned by it.

 

[Greatest I am]

If God told me to build an Ark, how would I know it was actually "God"? This leads me to question, why would any Christian believe the man who is the actual return of Christ...wouldn't they just call him insane or is it that it's too hard to accept that it's not actually true, or...if it were true, people didn't want it to be real.

If any follow the dogma then they would have to wonder if the great deceiver Satan was at work and you are right that he and God would not be distinguishable and for Noah to think that God would have to destroy His perfect works should have struck Noah as rather an anti God policy.

That would certainly stop me, even if a believer from putting that last plank on the hull.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

First you'd have to believe you were being commanded by the divine being who controls your existence.

Noah is a fine religious story, with an interesting premise, but little, if anything to be to be learned by it.

I do not agree. There is a good moral story here if you read it right.

The moral of the story is --do not side with an alien God who like to genocide our ass.
That is a false God.

You will note that believing this story to be literal and true, causes believers to wait for God to return to do it all over again to us. They patiently hold back their pending applause for God as He waits to kills even more of us.

They are mentally sick. That is what happens to those who believe in fantasy.


Regards
DL

 

[Minor Axis]

I do not agree. There is a good moral story here if you read it right.

The moral of the story is --do not side with an alien God who like to genocide our ass.
That is a false God.

You will note that believing this story to be literal and true, causes believers to wait for God to return to do it all over again to us. They patiently hold back their pending applause for God as He waits to kills even more of us.

They are mentally sick. That is what happens to those who believe in fantasy.


Regards
DL

When it comes to religion there is no one in a position to prove what is real and what is fantasy. You can be certain, but those feelings come from within without any basis of proof.

As far as "an alien God who like to genocide" whose to say for sure? If you believe in a God who has dominion over us, the human race could piss him off so badly that...

But seriously, I don't feel any truth from the average Biblical story other than as an allegory. For lack of evidence to the contrary, I don't really believe the human race is micromanaged by any divine force. Nor do I believe "God" intervenes, at least the way the devote think it intervenes. For that, I'd need to see some evidence. I really do like the matrix theory, as in the matrix movie, an analogy for spirits living a simulation.

And to reinforce my views, I don't claim to know what God is. I have no reason to believe the human interpretation of God is anywhere close to being accurate. I have no idea if 1)it is a single divine entity, 2) an intelligent celestial committee 3) a force that operates on a different level, in other words, humans can't fathom, or 4) it exists at all. If the argument is for number 3, then I'd say stop preaching (not you) what God wants.

 

[Greatest I am]

When it comes to religion there is no one in a position to prove what is real and what is fantasy. You can be certain, but those feelings come from within without any basis of proof.

As far as "an alien God who like to genocide" whose to say for sure? If you believe in a God who has dominion over us, the human race could piss him off so badly that...

But seriously, I don't feel any truth from the average Biblical story other than as an allegory. For lack of evidence to the contrary, I don't really believe the human race is micromanaged by any divine force. Nor do I believe "God" intervenes, at least the way the devote think it intervenes. For that, I'd need to see some evidence. I really do like the matrix theory, as in the matrix movie, an analogy for spirits living a simulation.

And to reinforce my views, I don't claim to know what God is. I have no reason to believe the human interpretation of God is anywhere close to being accurate. I have no idea if 1)it is a single divine entity, 2) an intelligent celestial committee 3) a force that operates on a different level, in other words, humans can't fathom, or 4) it exists at all. If the argument is for number 3, then I'd say stop preaching (not you) what God wants.

A healthy approach.

Regards
DL

 

[sierrabravo]

think about this: god supposedly destroyed the world because it became worse, i.e. Sodom and Gomorrah and other bad things supposedly happened. If you don't know what those are, google it. Ok now god supposedly destroyed the world because of people supposedly becoming bad people, gay people, murderers and adulterers (i'm sure i left out a few, i haven't been to church in a while). OK so now why didn't god destroy the world AGAIN after the internet was invented and people started posting about horrible things online, i.e. "bad" pornography? (you know what porn i'm talking about that churchies don't like... if you don't oh well) Murder is sure at a higher rate than the "great flood" times... Have we not pissed god off to warrant another flood? That's why i don't believe it. :rockon: