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BadBoy@TheWheel

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I would not have any problem changing the law to require ID to vote if it were done right and the proper amount of time was allowed to guarantee that qualified voters were not left hanging in the wind.
But take a close look at all of these new voter ID laws, see who is pushing them through and who's votes they will be affecting. Tell me with a straight face that they are doing this to protect the vote.......

That pendulum swings in both directions, because I believe that race baiting is used to do the same. Which is simply passive aggressive. At least the right just comes on out and hammers :D
 
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personally, if the question was aimed at me, i haven't polled anyone. however the people i have spoken to all seem to agree that id isn't a bad thing. just bad timing

I dunno when you have 1500 people voting in a county that only has 1000 people living and those numbers are actually not far off from what I read and that's just 1 place...I'd say voter ID is needed....when dead people are voting that's an issue.....when the several hundred thousand troops that are deployed that voted and those votes didn't get counted mysteriously I'd also say that was a problem....those issues happened in the last election and I'm sure it happened in elections before and I'm not saying it was ok then but it is something that needs to get fixed....when you have convicted felons that lost their right to vote and illegal immigrants voting I'd say that's a pretty big problem....both of which the left are fight to give back the right and give amnesty to just to pad their vote stats
 

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I dunno when you have 1500 people voting in a county that only has 1000 people living and those numbers are actually not far off from what I read and that's just 1 place...I'd say voter ID is needed....when dead people are voting that's an issue.....when the several hundred thousand troops that are deployed that voted and those votes didn't get counted mysteriously I'd also say that was a problem....those issues happened in the last election and I'm sure it happened in elections before and I'm not saying it was ok then but it is something that needs to get fixed....when you have convicted felons that lost their right to vote and illegal immigrants voting I'd say that's a pretty big problem....both of which the left are fight to give back the right and give amnesty to just to pad their vote stats

I agree....totally
 

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I dunno when you have 1500 people voting in a county that only has 1000 people living and those numbers are actually not far off from what I read and that's just 1 place...I'd say voter ID is needed....when dead people are voting that's an issue.....when the several hundred thousand troops that are deployed that voted and those votes didn't get counted mysteriously I'd also say that was a problem....those issues happened in the last election and I'm sure it happened in elections before and I'm not saying it was ok then but it is something that needs to get fixed....when you have convicted felons that lost their right to vote and illegal immigrants voting I'd say that's a pretty big problem....both of which the left are fight to give back the right and give amnesty to just to pad their vote stats

I would love to see any facts to back up those accusations.
 

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how many people that you know that vote don't have some kind of identification card just curious

There are 18,200,000 registered voters in PA that don't have the required photo ID that they will be asking for this election cycle.

Don't forget that they now say that your voter registration card, social security card, etc are NOT valid forms of ID. You need a state issued Photo ID. So they KNOW how many do not have that yet are legally registered to vote.
 

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There are 18,200,000 registered voters in PA that don't have the required photo ID that they will be asking for this election cycle.

Don't forget that they now say that your voter registration card, social security card, etc are NOT valid forms of ID. You need a state issued Photo ID. So they KNOW how many do not have that yet are legally registered to vote.

I think you got your numbers wrong there Tim lol.
 

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Felony charges related to election fraud have touched the 2008 race for the highest office in the land.
Prosecutors in South Bend, Ind., filed charges Monday against four St. Joseph County Democratic officials and deputies as part of a multiple-felony case involving the alleged forging of Democratic presidential primary petitions in the 2008 election, which put then-candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on the Indiana ballot.
The officials are accused of taking part in a scheme to fake signatures and names on the primary petitions needed to run for president. Court papers say the plan was hatched by local Democratic Party officials inside the local party headquarters.
Among those charged is the former long-time chairman of the St. Joseph County Democratic Party, Butch Morgan, who allegedly ordered the forgeries. He was forced to resign when the allegations were first made public last October, even though his lawyer, Shaw Friedman, told Fox News at the time that Morgan did not do anything wrong.
The St. Joseph County Board of Voter Registration's Democratic board member, Pam Brunette, Board of Voter Registration worker Beverly Shelton and Democratic volunteer and former board worker Dustin Blythe also face charges.
According to affidavits, St. Joseph County Voter Registration Office worker Lucas Burkett told investigators that he was part of the plan that started in January 2008 "to forge signatures on presidential candidate petitions instead of collecting actual signatures from citizens."
The documents state that Burkett told investigators that “he was heavily involved in St. Joseph County political activities with the local Democratic party," and that "he had, in fact, personally forged several such signatures," and had attended meetings at the local Democratic party headquarters, where it was agreed to forge the petitions. Morgan, the County Democratic Chairman, allegedly "instructed Mr. Burkett, Pamela Brunette, Beverly Shelton, and Dustin Blythe to forge ballot petitions for presidential candidates," and that "all of them agreed to follow these instructions" by copying names and signatures from old election petitions.
According to affidavits, Burkett told investigators it was his job to "forge petitions for candidate Barack Obama," Shelton "was assigned to forge petitions for candidate Hillary Clinton" and Blythe "was assigned to forge petitions for candidate John Edwards." When Edwards dropped out of the race at the end of January 2008 and Burkett refused to continue the forgeries, Morgan allegedly ordered Blythe to then forge petitions for Barack Obama.
Indiana State Police investigators identified a total of 22 petitions that appeared to be faked, yet sailed through the Voter Registration Board as legitimate documents. The signature of the board's Republican supervisor, Linda Silcott, which is required for legal certification, appeared to be rubber stamped on the documents. She told investigators that she did not remember signing or authorizing her rubber stamp to be used.
Silcott also told investigators that she recognized the handwriting on the alleged forged Obama petitions as that of Blythe's.
The South Bend Tribune and independent political newsletter Howey Politics Indiana have reported that a handwriting analyst concluded last fall that Blythe's handwriting matched some of the alleged Obama fakes. When Fox News caught up to Blythe as he left the Voter Registration Board last November and asked him if he forged any signatures or faked any petitions, he repeatedly replied, "I don't have anything to say."
The case raises the possibility that the president's campaign and that of Clinton’s, could have been legally challenged in Indiana if the alleged forgeries were discovered during the race.
Under state law, presidential candidates need to qualify with 500 signatures from each of Indiana's nine congressional districts. Indiana elections officials say that in St. Joseph County, which is the 2nd Congressional District, the Obama campaign qualified with 534 signatures; Clinton's camp had 704.
But the signatures, which were certified by the elections board, were never challenged. If the number of legitimate signatures for Obama or Clinton fell below the legal requirement of 500, they could have been bounced from the state ballot. Reports have previously put the number of phony signatures for both candidates at about 150, but state investigators plucked names from the petitions at random and cited only 20 individual alleged forgeries as part of their case. They say their investigation of the petitions continues.
Multiple voters, including Indiana's former Democratic Gov. Joe Kernan, told Fox News that their names and signatures were phonies.
"That's not my signature," Charity Rorie told Fox News as she sat in her kitchen in Mishawaka, Ind.. The mother of four was stunned that her name and signature, and those of her husband, appeared on one of the Obama petitions. She said they "absolutely" were fakes and was troubled that personal details such as their address and birthdays were also included.
"It was shocking," she said. "Why did they do that, and where did they get it from?"
"I did not sign for Barack Obama," Democratic voter Robert Hunter told Fox News as he stared at the Obama petition that included his name and purported signature supporting the candidate. While he observed that the scrawl looked "very close" to his real one, it was not.
"I always put 'Junior' after my name, every time... there's no 'Junior' there," Hunter told us. "I don't like anybody using my name for anything other than myself."
"It's scary," Charity said. "A lot of people have already lost faith in politics and the realm of politics and that solidifies our worries and concerns."
As for Burkett, a 26-year-old lifelong Democrat, "he is the whistle-blower in this," his lawyer, Andrew B. Jones, told Fox News.

"Lucas really is the hero in this situation. He is someone who stood up for good government, and has cooperated with the state police and will continue to do so."

 

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I guess it doesn't happen then

Did you even read the article? It had to do with faking names on a petition to allow candidates to be put on the ballot.
How does this in any way show a need for voters to show photo ID at the time they vote?
The two aren't even related :dunno
 

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I can give you the stats for PA since they just passed this law here last month and it will be in effect for this election.

Pa has never had one single case of voter ID fraud, ever.
Currently 10% of registered voters in PA do not have the required ID to vote this November, that's 18,200,000. Most of these people live in poorer communities, are minorities or are elderly.
IMO if they are going to pass such a law, then adequate time should be given for all to get the required ID.
Your voter registration card is a valid form of ID in the state at most federal agencies, but it is no longer valid as an ID to vote in PA.
The Republican House Majority Leader Mike Turzai told the Republican State Committee last month to wild applause: "Voter ID, which is going to allow Gov. Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done."

Let me fill you in on some facts for voting here in PA
1. You must show proper ID and prove residency to get your voter ID card. http://www.portal.state.pa.us/porta...D=1174117&parentname=ObjMgr&parentid=1&mode=2
2. You are assigned 1 polling place to vote based on your address.
3. You name will only appear in the log book at the polling place you are assigned.
4. When you show up to vote, they find your name in the book and make you sign your name to show that you have voted (before casting your vote) they then compare your signature to the one used when you got your voter ID card (it was hidden when you sign) and if it doesn't match, you must show photo ID to prove who you say you are. If you can complete these steps, you are allowed to vote.

So please tell me where there is room for fraud here.

Someone please tell me how this new law is going to ANY good because I can show you 18,200,000 voters that now need to jump through hoops to get a state issued ID before they are eligible to vote in a state that they could have been legally voting in for decades.
Sounds like great fodder for a class action suit. I'd expect them to allow a year to comply at least.
You need a valid ID to drive, carry a handgun (here anyhow), deposit and cash a check, obtain a job heck even so I'm told getting aid from the local gubment handout office.
That's no justification. That's the camels-nose-under-the-tent crap they're trying with Obamacare.

If there isn't a need, then why do they insist on throwing one more obstacle in the way of 18,200,000 registered voters just before an election cycle?

Did you miss what was said?

Republican House Majority Leader Mike Turzai told the Republican State Committee last month to wild applause: "Voter ID, which is going to allow Gov. Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done."

please try to dismiss that...
Dismissed. Done.
If people are truly being disenfranchised (which they're not, imo) then it would be a simple matter to gather the people up and give them transportation to the registration point. They did it in the '60s; they could do it even more easily today.

It's seems on the surface that there's enough due diligence being done to issue the voting card to begin with, based on the small number of fraud cases. Perhaps they could just print a picture of the voter on the card if people are so intent of having picture ID.
 


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