Voter ID

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

On what planet is requiring a voter to provide photo identification racially biased, anti-voter or a "poll tax"?

Why would any taxpayer in a day and age full of identity theft, corruption and questionable voting practices not want to make sure someone else wasn't taking their place at the polls?

Not to sound rude, but is the implication that it's a form of racism implying that certain races aren't willing to get of their asses to get what they need to go to the polls? Or does everyone just want to get on the voter bus and not have to take any effort at all?

I'm calling total B/S and Eric Holder can kiss my ass.

Thought's?

 

[UncleBacon]

eric holder is a racist piece of sh!t himself....its all about getting the liberal dems those extra votes...same reason they are fighting to give amnesty to illegal aliens...just a ploy to get that latino vote....

 

[Accountable]

I haven't done the research myself, but as I understand it the kind of voter fraud that the voter ID would prevent (ineligible voters pretending to be an eligible, registered voter) is committed so seldom as to be trivial. If true, that makes it either a distraction from something far more important, or there are plans to expand the uses of the voter ID into areas we're not anticipating.

 

[Kyle B]

ID or no ID, I couldn't care less.

 

[Tim]

I haven't done the research myself, but as I understand it the kind of voter fraud that the voter ID would prevent (ineligible voters pretending to be an eligible, registered voter) is committed so seldom as to be trivial. If true, that makes it either a distraction from something far more important, or there are plans to expand the uses of the voter ID into areas we're not anticipating.

I can give you the stats for PA since they just passed this law here last month and it will be in effect for this election.

Pa has never had one single case of voter ID fraud, ever.
Currently 10% of registered voters in PA do not have the required ID to vote this November, that's 18,200,000. Most of these people live in poorer communities, are minorities or are elderly.
IMO if they are going to pass such a law, then adequate time should be given for all to get the required ID.
Your voter registration card is a valid form of ID in the state at most federal agencies, but it is no longer valid as an ID to vote in PA.
The Republican House Majority Leader Mike Turzai told the Republican State Committee last month to wild applause: "Voter ID, which is going to allow Gov. Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done."

Let me fill you in on some facts for voting here in PA
1. You must show proper ID and prove residency to get your voter ID card. http://www.portal.state.pa.us/porta...D=1174117&parentname=ObjMgr&parentid=1&mode=2
2. You are assigned 1 polling place to vote based on your address.
3. You name will only appear in the log book at the polling place you are assigned.
4. When you show up to vote, they find your name in the book and make you sign your name to show that you have voted (before casting your vote) they then compare your signature to the one used when you got your voter ID card (it was hidden when you sign) and if it doesn't match, you must show photo ID to prove who you say you are. If you can complete these steps, you are allowed to vote.

So please tell me where there is room for fraud here.

Someone please tell me how this new law is going to ANY good because I can show you 18,200,000 voters that now need to jump through hoops to get a state issued ID before they are eligible to vote in a state that they could have been legally voting in for decades.

 

[Mercury]

An excellent way to sweep away "unwanted" voters ... :humm:

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

An excellent way to sweep away "unwanted" voters ... :humm:

Annnnnd how do you suppose? Because to me, you should be able to use your voter registration card as valid proof. So, maybe not letting an illegal vote to be cast is what's being swept away.

The left is saying it's racist and targeting minorities and the poor?

Nobody is saying they have to spend money to vote....I guess I'm missing it

 

[Tim]

Annnnnd how do you suppose? Because to me, you should be able to use your voter registration card as valid proof. So, maybe not letting an illegal vote to be cast is what's being swept away.

The left is saying it's racist and targeting minorities and the poor?

Nobody is saying they have to spend money to vote....I guess I'm missing it

Did you miss my post????

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Did you miss my post????

I don't live in PA....















or you'd be really tired of me

 

[Tim]

I don't live in PA....















or you'd be really tired of me

Then let me ask you a question...

Has there ever been a case of voter ID fraud in Texas? If so, how many?
Would changing the law to require these ID's prevent voter ID fraud?
How many registered voters in Texas already have the proper ID to vote?

If you don't know the answers to these questions, then how can you properly form an opinion on whether Texan's should need a photo ID or not to vote?

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Then let me ask you a question...

Has there ever been a case of voter ID fraud in Texas? If so, how many?
Would changing the law to require these ID's prevent voter ID fraud?
How many registered voters in Texas already have the proper ID to vote?

If you don't know the answers to these questions, then how can you properly form an opinion on whether Texan's should need a photo ID or not to vote?

You need a valid ID to drive, carry a handgun (here anyhow), deposit and cash a check, obtain a job heck even so I'm told getting aid from the local gubment handout office.

To answer a question with a question, wouldn't one case be too many? Why shouldn't this sacred obligation be protected?

 

[Mercury]

Annnnnd how do you suppose? Because to me, you should be able to use your voter registration card as valid proof. So, maybe not letting an illegal vote to be cast is what's being swept away.

The left is saying it's racist and targeting minorities and the poor?

Nobody is saying they have to spend money to vote....I guess I'm missing it

Perhaps it doesn't. I just am always leery of laws that are introduced in regards of voting. Here in Oregon, to be able to vote you have to sign up for selective service and then you can just have your ballots mailed to you.

 

[Tim]

You need a valid ID to drive, carry a handgun (here anyhow), deposit and cash a check, obtain a job heck even so I'm told getting aid from the local gubment handout office.

To answer a question with a question, wouldn't one case be too many? Why shouldn't this sacred obligation be protected?

But that's my whole point, is it being protected and at what cost?

If there are no cases of voter ID fraud like here in PA but 18,200,000 registered voters will be disenfranchised this election, isn't that a much greater injustice?

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Perhaps it doesn't. I just am always leery of laws that are introduced in regards of voting. Here in Oregon, to be able to vote you have to sign up for selective service and then you can just have your ballots mailed to you.

Ideally I like to think the system works well, the ONE issue I have is dropping this sooo close to election time. I think that is shady politics, or well politics as usual

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

But that's my whole point, is it being protected and at what cost?

If there are no cases of voter ID fraud like here in PA but 18,200,000 registered voters will be disenfranchised this election, isn't that a much greater injustice?

How can you measure who will be disenfranchised? And I say the lawful right to vote should be protected at any cost. Hell Tim people have died for us to have that right to begin with.

In that light ID is a small price?

 

[Tim]

Perhaps it doesn't. I just am always leery of laws that are introduced in regards of voting. Here in Oregon, to be able to vote you have to sign up for selective service and then you can just have your ballots mailed to you.

It us federal law that ALL US citizens are required to sign up for selective service if you are between 18 and 25

 

[Mercury]

It us federal law that ALL US citizens are required to sign up for selective service if you are between 18 and 25

Oh that's right. *facepalm*

 

[Tim]

How can you measure who will be disenfranchised? And I say the lawful right to vote should be protected at any cost. Hell Tim people have died for us to have that right to begin with.

In that light ID is a small price?

If there isn't a need, then why do they insist on throwing one more obstacle in the way of 18,200,000 registered voters just before an election cycle?

Did you miss what was said?

Republican House Majority Leader Mike Turzai told the Republican State Committee last month to wild applause: "Voter ID, which is going to allow Gov. Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done."

please try to dismiss that...

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

If there isn't a need, then why do they insist on throwing one more obstacle in the way of 18,200,000 registered voters just before an election cycle?

Did you miss what was said?

Republican House Majority Leader Mike Turzai told the Republican State Committee last month to wild applause: "Voter ID, which is going to allow Gov. Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done."

please try to dismiss that...

In a previous post responding to Mercury I did say that I thought throwing it out there this close to elections was shady. But I say it needs to happen eventually

 

[Tim]

In a previous post responding to Mercury I did say that I thought throwing it out there this close to elections was shady. But I say it needs to happen eventually

I would not have any problem changing the law to require ID to vote if it were done right and the proper amount of time was allowed to guarantee that qualified voters were not left hanging in the wind.
But take a close look at all of these new voter ID laws, see who is pushing them through and who's votes they will be affecting. Tell me with a straight face that they are doing this to protect the vote.......