US presence in Afghanistan fuels extremism in neighbouring Pakistan

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Note: Imran Khan, the author, is the ex-Captain of Pakistan's World Cup winner team and ex-husband of
Jemima.

The Observer, Sunday 9 January 2011

*Pakistan will implode if the US does not leave Afghanistan
The continuing US presence in Afghanistan fuels extremism in neighbouring
Pakistan

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*by Imran Khan
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The assassination of Salmaan Taseer has shown only too clearly the growing
extremism in Pakistan, the radicalisation of its society and the
polarisation that is taking hold. This is not just between the religious and
the secular, but also the polarisation that the "war on terror" has caused
between the various religious sects.

There were no Pakistanis involved in 9/11 and al-Qaida was then based
in Afghanistan. The only militancy we were suffering was among the tribal
groups who had fought against the Soviets and whose idea of jihad was a war
against foreign occupation. Yes, there was sectarian violence, but suicide
bombers were unheard of.

So after 9/11, when General Musharraf chose to ally with the Americans in
the "war on terror", it was a fundamental blunder. Overnight he turned the
jihadi groups created to fight foreign occupation from supporters into
enemies, people prepared to fight the Pakistani army because of its support
for the US invasion.

Musharraf then made a second mistake in sending the army into the tribal
areas. Our own tribespeople immediately rose up in revolt. Rather than
co-opting these people – and, remember, every man is armed – we made new
enemies. Then along came the American drones to kill more of our people.
Soon, the American "war on terror" was seen as a war on Islam by the
majority of Pakistanis and certainly by the Pashtuns in the tribal areas.
Terror and extremism intensified.

Every year extremism gets worse, our society becomes more radicalised and
the bloodshed grows. This is how you must see the context of this
assassination. Society is now so polarised that because Taseer criticised
the blasphemy law he was seen as criticising Islam. But that was not what he
said. This assassination would not have happened before the "war on terror".

Imams of different sects are being killed now, and mosques and churches
bombed. The fanaticism keeps getting worse. As disturbing as Taseer's
assassination is, just as disturbing is the way his assassin has become a
hero. That is why this whole thing is so dangerous, it shows where we are
headed.

I have been predicting this from day one. There is no military solution in
Afghanistan, only dialogue, so the supreme irony is that in siding with the
Americans all we have done is send the levels of violence up in Pakistan.
The "war on terror" has weakened the state and then, thanks to the George
Bush-sponsored National Reconciliation Ordinance in 2007, which allowed an
amnesty for all the biggest political crooks, we now have the most corrupt
government in our history. The "war on terror" is destroying Pakistan.

Clemenceau once said: "War is too important to be left to the generals." He
was right; for us it has been a disaster. There is incredible anti-American
sentiment here, and the drone attacks only fuel that hatred. We need a
change of strategy, otherwise the worst-case scenario will be achieved here;
an unstable nuclear state.

It's not a question of there being no room for moderates, it's that
moderates are being pushed towards extremism. Taseer didn't say anything
anti-Islamic, he just questioned the blasphemy law and whether it should be
used to victimise innocent people. His death has caused many moderates to
think there is no point in being a martyr. If it makes people such as myself
think twice about what we say, then where does that leave us? We are all now
at risk.

Crime in Pakistan is now at a level that breaks all records. Yet 60% of the
elite police forces are now employed protecting VIPs. Where does that leave
ordinary people? Young Pakistanis are being radicalised and the Taliban grow
in strength. The US is no longer fighting just the Taliban, it is fighting
the whole Pashtun population.

The consequences for Pakistan, with its population of 180 million, are
enormous. And there is an impact, too, on Muslim youth in western countries.
Graham Fuller, the CIA chief of staff in Kabul, wrote in 2007 that, if Nato
left Afghanistan, Pakistan security forces could overcome terrorism and
extremism. But, as long as the Americans push Pakistan to do more in the
tribal areas, the situation will worsen – until Pakistan itself implodes.

guardian.co.uk © Guardian News and Media Limited 2011
 
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Pakistan is a fuck whole anyway. I think the answer to the middle east is to keep them in. Fuck going in and risking lives, we should just set up a perimeter, and let them implode.
 

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Pakistan is a fuck whole anyway. I think the answer to the middle east is to keep them in. Fuck going in and risking lives, we should just set up a perimeter, and let them implode.

have you been there? have you ever wondered why it's in the mess it's in?
 

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yeah you are right it has nothing to do with them, they were peaceful happy people before oil was discovered.

irrelevant of what they were, or what they are, they have been affected for the worst by intervention in the region by the UK & US.

No wonder there having so many problems with such a massive threat so close by.
 

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irrelevant of what they were, or what they are, they have been affected for the worst by intervention in the region by the UK & US.

No wonder there having so many problems with such a massive threat so close by.

So please explain to me how the US and the UK ruined the peaceful country of Pakistan.
 

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Ed is right, you are not reading the slate clearly!

When did you visit Pakistan, where and for how long??

I was not in pakistan, I was in several other middle eastern countries. Please explain to me how Pakistan is a peaceful country, and how we ruined them?
 

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I was not in pakistan, I was in several other middle eastern countries. Please explain to me how Pakistan is a peaceful country, and how we ruined them?


Pakistan is NOT a Middle Eastern Country, it's rather a Mid-west country! It's very different than the typical Middle Eastern countries.....

Pakistan was a peaceful country until the US ditched it in 1989 and further It and its cronies fucked it
hard in the wake of 9/11, particularly in context to the Afghan war!
 

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Pakistan is NOT a Middle Eastern Country, it's rather a Mid-west country! It's very different than the typical Middle Eastern countries.....

Pakistan was a peaceful country until the US ditched it in 1989 and further It and its cronies fucked it
hard in the wake of 9/11, particularly in context to the Afghan war!

fours wars with India starting with the first kashmir war

many border battles with afghani troops

Arab Israeli wars, six day war, yom kippur war

Gulf war

Fighting for the UN

Soviet Afghan war
 

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fours wars with India starting with the first kashmir war

many border battles with afghani troops

Arab Israeli wars, six day war, yom kippur war

Gulf war

Fighting for the UN

Soviet Afghan war


False!

Pakistan never 'warred' against Afghanistan....those mild rubs, if any, could only be termed usual skirmishes between two neighbors.

Pakistan fought only 2 wars with India ....and that was Pakistan's internal affair. In 1971 Pakistan lost its eastern wing which is now called Bangla Desh.

Pakistan never fought side by side with the Arabs against anyone....

Pakistan had no concern with the Gulf war........

Pakistan fought proxy war for the Americans against the Soviets and kicked them out of Afghanistan until Pakistan was ditched by the Americans. ( this admission is on record)

Well, Pakistan hasn't fought its own war just contributed some of its forces to the UN under the UN treaty! It's just like some other country sending troops under NATO!!

Just grow up to feel the differences between Pakistan and others!!
 

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False!

Pakistan never 'warred' against Afghanistan....those mild rubs, if any, could only be termed usual skirmishes between two neighbors.

Pakistan fought only 2 wars with India ....and that was Pakistan's internal affair. In 1971 Pakistan lost its eastern wing which is now called Bangla Desh.

Pakistan never fought side by side with the Arabs against anyone....

Pakistan had no concern with the Gulf war........

Pakistan fought proxy war for the Americans against the Soviets and kicked them out of Afghanistan until Pakistan was ditched by the Americans. ( this admission is on record)

Well, Pakistan hasn't fought its own war just contributed some of its forces to the UN under the UN treaty! It's just like some other country sending troops under NATO!!

Just grow up to feel the differences between Pakistan and others!!

Grow up I just proved a statement you made to be false and you come back with complete drivel.

1. pakistan flew with Arab pilots under joint command in the six day war. The shot down 10 israeli planes, with the arabs.

Seriously either you are just ignorant and you do not know what you are talking about or you are purposely
trying to be deceitful. Everything you have said has been false, when you want to have a truthful debate come find me. I have been in and worked for the military for many years, and I will not tolerate BS. Grow up, open up a book and learn something.
 

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Grow up I just proved a statement you made to be false and you come back with complete drivel.

1. pakistan flew with Arab pilots under joint command in the six day war. The shot down 10 israeli planes, with the arabs.

Seriously either you are just ignorant and you do not know what you are talking about or you are purposely
trying to be deceitful. Everything you have said has been false, when you want to have a truthful debate come find me. I have been in and worked for the military for many years, and I will not tolerate BS. Grow up, open up a book and learn something.


What bullshit! Being in the lower ranks of military does not make someone a historian of the sorts!
Talk about Pakistan ....you didn't even know that Pakistan was not in the Middle East, that the Pakistanis are not Arabs!!

I have no idea when Pakistani pilots shot down Israel's planes (they will because Israel is also their enemy) but people from Saudia do come to Pakistani air force to learn flying etc ( like GD pilots) ....Saudia is also said to hire Pakistani military for some of its defense
(or offense) and I believe it will continue to do that as long as Israel problem is not resolved. Saudia after all
is a good financial source of succor for Pakistan .....as well as donating it free oil !! What else does a poor friendly country want to expect and do for a rich friendly country?? Then ALL Muslims over the world have
respect for Saudia because of its generosity and the fact that they are the Servants of Muslim Sacred lands of Mecca and Madina!
 

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What bullshit! Being in the lower ranks of military does not make someone a historian of the sorts!
Talk about Pakistan ....you didn't even know that Pakistan was not in the Middle East, that the Pakistanis are not Arabs!!

I have no idea when Pakistani pilots shot down Israel's planes (they will because Israel is also their enemy) but people from Saudia do come to Pakistani air force to learn flying etc ( like GD pilots) ....Saudia is also said to hire Pakistani military for some of its defense
(or offense) and I believe it will continue to do that as long as Israel problem is not resolved. Saudia after all
is a good financial source of succor for Pakistan .....as well as donating it free oil !! What else does a poor friendly country want to expect and do for a rich friendly country?? Then ALL Muslims over the world have
respect for Saudia because of its generosity and the fact that they are the Servants of Muslim Sacred lands of Mecca and Madina!

when did I say pakistani's are Arabs? Please show me where I said that? Go ahead show me! Please show me where U said I was in the lower ranks of the service? Go ahead show me! I know what I am talking about and within two posts you have already been exposed as an inept poster, and that you have little knowledge of the subject. Also Pakistan is apart of the greater Middle East, is this something else that you do not know? So far your track record is shit, pick up a book once in a while. So again i ask you tell me how the US disrupted and corrupted Pakistan. Oh and please check your weak answers this time, frankly you are boring me.
 

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when did I say pakistani's are Arabs? Please show me where I said that? Go ahead show me! Please show me where U said I was in the lower ranks of the service? Go ahead show me! I know what I am talking about and within two posts you have already been exposed as an inept poster, and that you have little knowledge of the subject. Also Pakistan is apart of the greater Middle East, is this something else that you do not know? So far your track record is shit, pick up a book once in a while. So again i ask you tell me how the US disrupted and corrupted Pakistan. Oh and please check your weak answers this time, frankly you are boring me.


In your long and convoluted reply you have said nothing except laying accusations of sort.
Most of the incidences you mentioned earlier to assert that they were connected with Pakistan have already
been rebutted and proven wrong ....it has also been rebutted that Pakistan is NOT a Middle Eastern (ie Arab) country against your lack of adequate knowledge of geography and history. Be a sportsman and admit your mistake!

As you say you are very adept at Pakistan history then why are you asking me and others your question??

But since you have asked me I may answer to tell you what the heck are the US and its accessories doing in Pakistan???
 

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I'm afraid British and US "influence" has had a massive effect on the entire region going back decades.

I disagree, it goes back centuries.;) Amazing how so many of them though, in decades, on the brink of independance wanted to fight and die for the British Empire in WWII. :thumbup
 
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