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I wasn't ganging up.... i said you made it boring!! if i were ganging up there are ALOT more ways i could have worded my sentence believe me
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I wasn't ganging up.... i said you made it boring!! if i were ganging up there are ALOT more ways i could have worded my sentence believe me
Alright. Fare enough if you find it boring. I did add content to this thread to show a different opinion.
but your opinion is based on lack of knowledge and experience...it was supposed to be entertaining and enlightening..but eh?
ok.........this choreographed thing........first off........the way to learn anything properly is through repitition,so yes.....its a type of choreograph in that sense......what those experts were doing in those video's were called randori,randori is a continuous attack from 2 or more people.......its cant be choreographed as the expert doesn't know how his attacker is going to react to a particular technique....if he lands even a yard away from the intended position the next technique becomes altogether different...so choreography goes out of the window
as for those ancient martial arts being obselete i ask you one thing.......have you ever seen a police officer take an offender down with such expertise its unreal?.......well what hes been taught is a variation of aikido.....when you see a police officer all of a sudden have an assailants arm up his back......thats a variation of a technique called 'kote geashi'
now i saw links to UFC videos.......well all of the locks,take downs and immobilisations.....where do you think they originated from?........so called obselete martial arts like aikido and ju-jitsu thats where
on my black belt grading i had to do about 100 techniques......various katas......defense from knife attacks......and a 3 man keiko........and believe me that on the keiko theres no holding back by the attackers
as for those ancient martial arts being obselete i ask you one thing.......have you ever seen a police officer take an offender down with such expertise its unreal?.......well what hes been taught is a variation of aikido.....when you see a police officer all of a sudden have an assailants arm up his back......thats a variation of a technique called 'kote geashi'
now i saw links to UFC videos.......well all of the locks,take downs and immobilisations.....where do you think they originated from?........so called obselete martial arts like aikido and ju-jitsu thats where
on my black belt grading i had to do about 100 techniques......various katas......defense from knife attacks......and a 3 man keiko........and believe me that on the keiko theres no holding back by the attackers
Pudding Time
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How do you know that?
You don't.
I have studied other martial arts. Not Aikido though. And what's your opinion based on?
my opinion is based on 8 years training in aikido.like ian (skyblue) i have the experience and knowledge..in fact this is a subject which ian and i have discussed privately.
i too reached dan grade but ceased training after giving birth to porphyria and being too ill to train at such a level.
liam ,go to a dojo and do it,feel the presure which makes you fly over like these vids and then discuss... thanks to ian i have decided that i will commence training again.
in the spirit of aikido and ueshiba ..blessings
Pudding Time
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OK. Obviously it not choreographed in fine detail like a dance routine. But the Master has told his student what to do. The master knows what to expect. And this is why I call it choreographed.
Police are taught many different techniques from many different martial arts.
Of course. But you can't walk into an MMA fight with only skills from one martial art, and win. Not gonna happen. And thus why I say traditional martial arts are obsolete. In the last decade or so, many traditional martial arts were exposed as one dimensional when they started fighting people from traditional martial arts against American collegiate wrestlers. These wrestlers were taking the martial artists to the ground with ease, and punishing them. Even traditional Ju-Jitsu was exposed. And the exposure of traditional Ju-Jitsu lead to the creation of Gracie Ju Jitsu (aka Brazilian Ju Jitsu), a less fixed position form. The Gracie's learnt a lot from American wrestlers, and thus BJJ was influenced by wrestling, to combat wrestlers.
Yes there are a lot of techniques that have carried over to modern martial arts as traditional martial arts evolved. But evolve they had to, as when traditional martial arts were created, they were hardly ever tested against other martial arts from completely different cultures.
I'm sure your grading was far more intense then what we see in these videos.
Pudding Time
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Interesting..
I've been to dojos Deb. I've train in Muay Thai, Kempo, and Judo. I've also been trained personally by co-workers on Krav Maga, and Shotokan Karate. I know what it's like to be thrown around, and I know first hand what it's like to be knocked out completely.
But I also know from studying many different martial arts, that the traditional ones are no where near as effective as their modern evolutions. And not effective at all against cross-trained martial artists.
gracie ju-jitsu
then why sweetheart do dan grades in the so called modern martial arts come to aikido...because dan grade level training in those are a copy of aikido taught by people who do not do the art.
and do you know when ueshiba founded aikido?
Pudding Time
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It's Royce Gracie. And although he pretty much the most successful BJJ practitioner is competitive fighting, he's only fought hand picked opponents. The Gracie's are famous for this.
However, he did fight Matt Hughes and was completely dominated. Yeah Royce was dominate back in the day. But back then it was rare to find people who were both cross-trained, and also extremely skilled in each martial art they are cross trained in. Today, there are many more people who are awesome in each martial art they are cross-trained in.
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