Trayvon Martin- Tragedy

[All Else Failed]

That's cause he's incapable of discussing anything without making it personal and attacking people when he can't defend his points. It's childish at best.

I've been defending my points with logic this entire time. You've been resorting to strange conspiracy theories.

It may not be. My point is that it's ambiguous and inconclusive.

yet I believe it was you who was making observations off of the same ambiguous video when it was first posted

 

[retro]

I've been defending my points with logic this entire time. You've been resorting to strange conspiracy theories.

If by "logic" you mean seeing whatever you want to see and changing your claims when they fit what you believe, then sure... You've used nothing but logic. :24: I'm being objective and you're defending the guy beyond all reason.

 

[All Else Failed]

Maybe those officers looked at the back of his head several times to make sure it wasn't a shadow

If by "logic" you mean seeing whatever you want to see and changing your claims

name a single claim that I have changed

I already addressed the video one you wrongly accused me of so you better have another

 

[Alien Allen]

It may not be. My point is that it's ambiguous and inconclusive. AEF is claiming that it's obviously a head wound, I'm merely providing other options.

I can not say it is a wound either. Just that it is not a hair line.

It is shitty film and to compound things ABC put their damn logo in the worst possible place.

If he was beat up there are gonna be pictures.

The video IMO is not conclusive about anything. Sure does not help Zimmerman though given all the assumptions made early on. It fits into the neat box that was first wrapped.

 

[retro]

Maybe those officers looked at the back of his head several times to make sure it wasn't a shadow




name a single claim that I have changed

I already addressed the video one you wrongly accused me of so you better have another

What did I wrongfully accuse you of? The video was shitty when it didn't show what you wanted it to. Then it became clear when you saw something that might possibly fit with what you wanted to see.

If you can't see that, then there's nothing I can do to help you. Like I said, leave the discussion to the grown-ups.

 

[retro]

I can not say it is a wound either. Just that it is not a hair line.

It is shitty film and to compound things ABC put their damn logo in the worst possible place.

If he was beat up there are gonna be pictures.

The video IMO is not conclusive about anything. Sure does not help Zimmerman though given all the assumptions made early on.

Exactly. But like I've said... AEF see what he wants to see and changes his mind when it's convenient.

 

[All Else Failed]

The video was shitty when it didn't show what you wanted it to.

The video *is* shitty. I never denied that. However, when you freeze a frame and zoom in, details that might have not been seen initially become apparent.


and I'm not sure if you're being consistent with accusing me of being childish by calling people things when you're saying I'm not "grown up".

AEF see what he wants to see and changes his mind when it's convenient.

No see you're twisting this by not being observant of what I said.





Here are the facts: The paramedics treated him for head wounds and said he had injuries. INDISPUTABLE.

The cops looked at the back of his head a few times. INDISPUTABLE.


Do the math.

 

[Alien Allen]

Exactly. But like I've said... AEF see what he wants to see and changes his mind when it's convenient.

not to worry

I can piss farther than both of ya combined.

 

[retro]

The video *is* shitty. I never denied that. However, when you freeze a frame and zoom in, details that might have not been seen initially become apparent.


and I'm not sure if you're being consistent with accusing me of being childish by calling people things when you're saying I'm not "grown up".




No see you're twisting this by not being observant of what I said.





Here are the facts: The paramedics treated him for heads wounds and said he had injuries. INDISPUTABLE.

The cops looked at the back of his head a few times. INDISPUTABLE.


Do the math.

Zooming in on a still of a shirty video merely makes the shittiness worse. Simple rules of video. You can't enhance something that was bad to begin with.

I'm calling you childish because that's the manner in which you're behaving. My son changes his story in order to fit with what he wants... There's little to no difference between that and what you're doing. Like I said, I'd you can't see it them I can't help you. you're debating "skills" are on an elementary level.

 

[All Else Failed]

I haven't changed my story once. I have no clue what you are talking about.

No sorry, I've been debating this stuff for a long time now and I like to cut through the fake smiles and happy "Well, I agree to disagree" happy-time. Directness and destruction of delusions is what I am interested in. Call it whatever you want.

 

[retro]

I haven't changed my story once. I have no clue what you are talking about.

The video went from being "shitty" to showing something conclusive. Pretty cut and dry.

 

[All Else Failed]

You don't know the difference between moving footage and a close-up still, apparently.


But you were so ready to make conclusions about the video when it was first posted. Double standard. Undeniable.

 

[anathelia]

The video *is* shitty. I never denied that. However, when you freeze a frame and zoom in, details that might have not been seen initially become apparent.


and I'm not sure if you're being consistent with accusing me of being childish by calling people things when you're saying I'm not "grown up".




No see you're twisting this by not being observant of what I said.





Here are the facts: The paramedics treated him for head wounds and said he had injuries. INDISPUTABLE.

The cops looked at the back of his head a few times. INDISPUTABLE.


Do the math.

Very disputable.


One time. Unless you're watching a different video than me, that cop looked at the back of his head ONE time.

Now who's making things up?

 

[retro]

You don't know the difference between moving footage and a close-up still, apparently.


But you were so ready to make conclusions about the video when it was first posted. Double standard. Undeniable.

Zooming in on a dubious source doesn't change the quality of the video. I've been doing this crap for a long time.

I said that the video made it look like he was a liar. There isn't anything in the video that conclusively proves that he was injured. Undeniable.

 

[All Else Failed]

What about the video made him a lair?

 

[retro]

What about the video made him a lair?

There's no conclusive proof that fits with what he described. Now you're being deliberately obtuse.

 

[All Else Failed]

But gee, I thought you were just saying the video was shitty and inconclusive how can you even say that


which I agree with except for the close-up which reveals details

 

[retro]

But gee, I thought you were just saying the video was shitty and inconclusive how can you even say that


which I agree with except for the close-up which reveals details

No. That's what *you* said. I'm merely saying that what you claim to be conclusive is dubious at best. I don't think the video quality is great, but it seems to show that his face is fine. Now you're putting words into my mouth and twisting what I said.

See, I can do it too... Except that I have a leg to stand on, two of them in fact.

 

[All Else Failed]

Okay, so you can make conclusions about his face, yet I can't make conclusions about what seems to be a wound.


right

 

[retro]

Okay, so you can make conclusions about his face, yet I can't make conclusions about what seems to be a wound.


right

You really don't get it, do you? What you claim to be an obvious wound could be just about anything. His face doesn't show anything even like your wound.

Jesus Christ dude... Give it up already.