This is just getting ridiculous

[itsmeJonB]

Yeh, that's why I mentioned an arbitrary age. What are you gonna do, shove the ID into an infant's diaper?
I figure issuing an ID at 16 or earliest age to work should do the trick just fine. Resident Alien cards and military ID cards are supposed to be near impossible to counterfeit, so it shouldn't be much of a stretch.

I dont like it. Sounds like another way the GOVERNMENT can sit there and watch every move we make.
Big Brother is watching you..

 

[Tim]

Even if we had some sort of federal ID card, how would that help law enforcement catch those who aren't doing anything wrong?

I mean if I am just walking down the street minding my own business and a cop demands to see my ID, I will refuse. There is no law or provision that requires me to show my ID upon request. I have the right to not say a fucking word and I would use that right.

Whenever I watch the shop cops, it drives me crazy when they would roll up on someone standing on the corner and just start questioning them. They always get something from them, enough to arrest them at the least. If they would have just kept their mouths shut then they would still be free. Or better yet, when someone is pulled over for a broken tail light and the cop starts asking questions like, "where are you coming from? Where are you heading?" This is where these people fuck up. Who the hell are they to ask me where I'm coming from and where I'm heading? To question why I'm in a certain neighborhood?

Just give me my citation for a broken tail light and move along... you aren't getting a word out of me. Ever.

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[Accountable]

Even if we had some sort of federal ID card, how would that help law enforcement catch those who aren't doing anything wrong?

It wouldn't. But it would solve the scenario I set up earlier. It would likely help those that live close to the borders to cross more easily as well.

 

[anathelia]

Even if we had some sort of federal ID card, how would that help law enforcement catch those who aren't doing anything wrong?

I mean if I am just walking down the street minding my own business and a cop demands to see my ID, I will refuse. There is no law or provision that requires me to show my ID upon request. I have the right to not say a fucking word and I would use that right.

Whenever I watch the shop cops, it drives me crazy when they would roll up on someone standing on the corner and just start questioning them. They always get something from them, enough to arrest them at the least. If they would have just kept their mouths shut then they would still be free. Or better yet, when someone is pulled over for a broken tail light and the cop starts asking questions like, "where are you coming from? Where are you heading?" This is where these people fuck up. Who the hell are they to ask me where I'm coming from and where I'm heading? To question why I'm in a certain neighborhood?

Just give me my citation for a broken tail light and move along... you aren't getting a word out of me. Ever.

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Who here has said anything about them getting this information out of someone who they aren't already pulling over for some other reason? I'm pretty sure no one.

Your point isn't really valid. Yeah, people should keep their mouths shut, but people don't follow the law, that's no one's fault but their own.

 

[Francis]

It wouldn't. But it would solve the scenario I set up earlier. It would likely help those that live close to the borders to cross more easily as well.

Why you already have that.

Enhanced Driver's License.

http://www.dol.wa.gov/about/news/priorities/edl.html

As well as a regular Passport..

 

[itsmeJonB]

Why you already have that.

Enhanced Driver's License.

http://www.dol.wa.gov/about/news/priorities/edl.html

not every state offers this

 

[Accountable]

Why you already have that.

Enhanced Driver's License.

http://www.dol.wa.gov/about/news/priorities/edl.html

As well as a regular Passport..

1. I've never heard of an enhanced driver license.
2. Not everyone gets a drivers license, and they have to pay for it if they do.
3. Few Americans have a passport; they're prohibitively expensive for many people, as well as bulky.

 

[Francis]

not every state offers this

And that's why I said as well as a "Standard Passport"..

The card is only good for land and water crossing, no flights anyway.. You still require a Passport for flights..

 

[Francis]

Accountable

1. I've never heard of an enhanced driver license.

• Part of the same program as licensing that also issues most areas with ID cards with DL's. Look up under Homeland Security and Enhanced driver License agreement.

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1. Not everyone gets a drivers license, and they have to pay for it if they do.

• True, it's not a perfect solution but one already in place and running and can keep cost down to tax payers.

1. Few Americans have a passport; they're prohibitively expensive for many people, as well as bulky.

• Again, understood but why complicate matters ? If you want an expensive new system in place I guess you are barking up the right tree. Government systems can be so great and costly.

 

[Accountable]

Why complicate matters?!? It's the day laborer who is affected by this more than anyone. It's not like they're giving up their morning latte to pay for this fancy optional ID. If the gov't is going to require you to carry proof, it should be provided free of charge. Unlike most of the things the federal gov't does, this is one that could actually line up with the responsibilities listed in our Constitution.

 

[Tim]

Why complicate matters?!? It's the day laborer who is affected by this more than anyone. It's not like they're giving up their morning latte to pay for this fancy optional ID. If the gov't is going to require you to carry proof, it should be provided free of charge. Unlike most of the things the federal gov't does, this is one that could actually line up with the responsibilities listed in our Constitution.

How does requiring you to carry an ID anywhere near constitutional?

What if I choose to never carry ID? Is the government going to arrest me?

I thought you were smaller government, not big brother. Or is it ok when we are talking about weeding out the illegals?

 

[Accountable]

How does requiring you to carry an ID anywhere near constitutional?

What if I choose to never carry ID? Is the government going to arrest me?

I thought you were smaller government, not big brother. Or is it ok when we are talking about weeding out the illegals?

I don't like it any more than you do, but I see it as being a hell of a lot easier sell than national healthcare, education standards, or "Social Security". Providing a "free" (paid by taxes) ID card to citizens, with no requirement to carry it, even, would cover my concerns about this type of law. Such as: "No, you're not required to carry it, but it is provided at no additional cost and it would keep you from being unnecessarily harassed by law enforcers trying to enforce the law."

And yes, it is exactly and precisely about weeding out the illegals. Can I infer from your post that we should not have immigration law at all, therefore not have "illegals"?

 

[Francis]

Immigration rules are tough to tackle in the best of times..

No one likes them, for more or less, and when you don't get them fair to start with everyone gets on a bandwagon to stop further implementation of them..

The worse part is making the Government system even more bloated..

Part of the issue is that no matter what you say, people will misinterpret what you say as RACIST, if you speak out on the issue.. I can sit here and say, everyone should get ID in my country and think its a great idea while others get offended.. Why would anyone get offended if the process is "EQUAL" and fair for "ALL" regardless of skin color, religion, ethnicity or lifestyle beliefs.. Those who are "ILLEGAL" jumped the queue ahead of those who came LEGALLY and should understand that it is not fair to the many waiting the process properly.. It makes ALL IMMIGRANTS look bad..

 

[Accountable]

I was just listening on the radio that the AZ governor further clarified that the "reasonable belief" must be pretty stark, such as recognizing someone who had already been deported once before, caught purchasing or trying to purchase illegal ID, stuff like that.

It still doesn't answer my basic question, which everyone has chosen to ignore: Are state & local police prohibited from enforcing federal law??