There's only one political party in Washington

[Alien Allen]

I've read enough of your posts to believe you were a solid supporter of the dictator that preceeded President Obama and the Democrat sweep.

That is a typical liberal / democrat bull shit knee jerk response.

Just because somebody despises what Obama and the democrats are doing does not mean they supported Bush and his asshat buddies.

God this kind of fucking bullshit gets old.

 

[Azazel]

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[CeeRose28]

There will never be on political party in Washington. There would be less conflict which would increase boredom, and really, could we ever have a month or so without conflict? No, people get too bored to stand for that. Besides, she didn't drop out and throw her support behind the Dem. because she wanted to be united. She was being a baby and wanted to get back at the Republicans.

 

[Alien Allen]

There will never be on political party in Washington. There would be less conflict which would increase boredom, and really, could we ever have a month or so without conflict? No, people get too bored to stand for that. Besides, she didn't drop out and throw her support behind the Dem. because she wanted to be united. She was being a baby and wanted to get back at the Republicans.

Not entirely true

She is a typical northeast rhino ala Snowe and Collins. For some reason they need to claim they are a republican to win elections but they are far closer to being a liberal democrat than even a middle of the road moderate republican. She threw her support where her ideology fits and that also was a convenient way to tell the republicans to shove it.

 

[Accountable]

There will never be on political party in Washington. There would be less conflict which would increase boredom, and really, could we ever have a month or so without conflict? No, people get too bored to stand for that. Besides, she didn't drop out and throw her support behind the Dem. because she wanted to be united. She was being a baby and wanted to get back at the Republicans.

What's the difference between the parties?

 

[CeeRose28]

What's the difference between the parties?

One's left, one's right.
One makes sense and one doesn't
One is full of nonsensical dopes and one consists of rational people
One just wants to prove a point and one actually cares about the well being of America.

The list can go on. I hate to dash your hopes but we will never have one political party.

 

[Accountable]

One's left, one's right.
One makes sense and one doesn't
One is full of nonsensical dopes and one consists of rational people
One just wants to prove a point and one actually cares about the well being of America.

And, in your opinion, which is which?

 

[CeeRose28]

And, in your opinion, which is which?

I'll keep that one to myself

 

[Accountable]

I'll keep that one to myself

It's not a trick question. Really. To follow your post, The one you consider left makes sense, but is full of nonsensical dopes and just wants to prove a point. The one you consider right consists of rational people who don't make sense, yet actually cares about the well being of America.

I contend that neither party makes sense,
that the only thing left or right about them is their rhetoric (while their behavior is very consistent and practically homogenous),
that both irrationally damage the single most successful society in world history,
and that neither gives a shit about America's well-being.

Set me straight.

 

[CeeRose28]

Alright well, I am a republican. I read my post again and a part of me really doesn't agree with it because the right side has quite a bit of their own loon-toon's too. My issue is that I was raised republican and I've never really taken the chance to stand back and think for myself, I was just taught that republican is right and democrat is wrong. There are plenty of times when I've heard some right-winged policies and they just don't make sense as well as the left-winged. It has gotten to the point now though that it's just if you are R than you hate D and vice-versa. Both sides are very radical in their thought process and ideas but I normally tend to lean right but than again, I'm 19, I really haven't been paying attention long enough to actually know.

I've always seen it as the Dems. just seem to me like they are in it for the money and to piss people off. Sadly, I am learning a lot about politics at a very shitty time when everyone is showing their meaner side.

 

[Accountable]

Alright well, I am a republican. I read my post again and a part of me really doesn't agree with it because the right side has quite a bit of their own loon-toon's too. My issue is that I was raised republican and I've never really taken the chance to stand back and think for myself, I was just taught that republican is right and democrat is wrong. There are plenty of times when I've heard some right-winged policies and they just don't make sense as well as the left-winged. It has gotten to the point now though that it's just if you are R than you hate D and vice-versa. Both sides are very radical in their thought process and ideas but I normally tend to lean right but than again, I'm 19, I really haven't been paying attention long enough to actually know.

I've always seen it as the Dems. just seem to me like they are in it for the money and to piss people off. Sadly, I am learning a lot about politics at a very shitty time when everyone is showing their meaner side.

:clap One of the greatest signs of maturity is to acknowledge flaws in yourself. It ain't fun, but it's necessary. You'll find many, many people never get even to this stage (thus the R must hate D & vice versa). You are doing well, GrassHoppah.

I taught leadership for several years in the Air Force. Here is basically the advice I gave my students:

The people who raised you have done/are doing well. They've given you a good set of values and beliefs. You're job from this point is to examine each one closely to decide if you really want to adopt it for your own. Question each one. You will find that most make sense even under pressure. Those are your values; keep them. A few won't make much sense when you open them up to examination (my parents were racist, for example). If you find it doesn't make sense for you personally, it isn't your value; discard it.

When people ask you why you feel a certain way, it should be embarrassing to only be able to answer that it's the way you were raised. A far stronger and more respectable response would show that you've given it thought for yourself and know why you believe that way.

Question everything, especially yourself. When you examine and question your own values, You will be more skilled at recognizing bullshit being passed as logic. You will also find that people listen to you with more respect, because your opinions will come from a firmer foundation. You'll probably be more tolerant of opposing opinions, too.
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No need to be in a hurry, though. The process takes years, and you've got another 80 or 90 to go. You're definitely off on the right foot.

 

[Minor Axis]

Democrat Bill Owens wins hard-fought race for 23rd congressional seat | News from The Post-Standard -

Do we need more proof that the dems & repubs are in this together? When the republican saw she would lose, she dropped out and threw her support behind the democrat!

Oh, you're just never going to be happy until Libertarians are in charge. What makes you think that will be any better, cause they are humans too...

 

[Minor Axis]

In Detroit more people are unemployed than took the damn effort to vote. Almost 30% unemployed and only 22% voter turnout. Talk about pathetic. In a city that needs change as much as New Orleans needed relief after Katrina.

I'm a strong supporter of the concept of voting, and it's very easy to judge the residents of Detroit, but I would not be so quick to call them pathetic. Maybe hopeless is a better description?

 

[Alien Allen]

I'm a strong supporter of the concept of voting, and it's very easy to judge the residents of Detroit, but I would not be so quick to call them pathetic. Maybe hopeless is a better description?

They are pathetic

Nothing to do with hopeless. When you keep repeating the same mistakes over and over there are no excuses.

 

[Minor Axis]

They are pathetic

Nothing to do with hopeless. When you keep repeating the same mistakes over and over there are no excuses.

Well in the typical well ordered, black and white (but frequently draws the wrong conclusions) conservative mind, the answer is obvious.

Sorry, I could not help myself. I'll apologize in advance.

 

[Alien Allen]

Well in the typical well ordered, black and white (but frequently draws the wrong conclusions) conservative mind, the answer is obvious.

Sorry, I could not help myself. I'll apologize in advance.

Kind of ironic you would use black and white to label what I stated.

I tend to follow the path of people being responsible for a lot that goes on. The voters have elected idiots for years. That is a pattern. Call it what you like. If you want a better unfiltered perspective then take some time and check out what Time Magazine is up to. They bought a house and will have reporters live here and report here for the next year. Their first article was an excellent piece that described things.

I feel bad for those down in Detroit that are caught up in this. Those people are not the pathetic ones though. It is the voters who keep making horrible choices. While the city council just elected might be the best on paper in the last 50 years the voters still are idiots when it comes to dealing with the school board.

IMO until schools are up to a decent standard there is little hope for things getting better and even then it will take 30 years to have a significant impact in my opinion. Check out what Robert Bobb has found with the corruption in the school system. It is beyond belief and yet the voters still cling to the old crappy choices. While Bobb has done an incredible job the fact are he will only be there another year and then the old shitty people will be back in charge to cause more damage.