the worlds most intolerant religion...not for the easily offended

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All Else Failed

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Well golly...You've gone soft on religion for once;)

It is like a gun...it can be deadly. But only in the hands of a deadly person.
But then again, I think religious people in the end just make up their own morality and ethics, with a bit of their religion thrown in. Only the fundies are extreme. BUT, religion in my mind, does set someone for the potential for intolerances usually prescribed to religious belief.
 

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i can only speak for my experiences here in the UK but those two videos are typical of the sort of thing which is forcefed to young muslims here,which is why we have a huge number of radicalised muslim men eager to bomb and kill.
this filth comes from and is paid for by saudi arabia and yet both our governments have dealings with and even entertain the saudis(the queen recently gave a banquet for king abdullah)but ofcourse they have the oil .

islam is nothing to do with any of that ,and if you watch and read this youll see that ..


YouTube - What does Islam really teach?
 

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All religion is intolerant to one degree or another, it's how far they take it. I've seen extremely intolerant Christian religions and people, it's just the way they interpret their beliefs the same as this and to be honest in that too the really intolerant ones are in the minority.

I agree with this.

There are intolerant fanatics in every organised religion.
It's one of my biggest issues with organised religions.
 

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the peopple in ians clips are extreme ,but not muslims.

the things written and said in my clip are what islam is really....seems to me there arent a lot of real muslims out there or all the nutters are getting all the attention
 

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I think many people get the word tolerance confused with the word accepting. Big difference between those too words. So ponder that one.

Aside from that, to get to the question at hand, intolerance is practiced by all extremist groups - religious or not religious. Most people that are intolerant are not actually religious as they are not truly following the scripture of their 'said' religion. They are lost souls being lead by the blind, that is what they are and they should be prayed for.
 

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South Park pointed out the meaning of the word intolerance which was good. It dosen't mean you like or approve of it, you just put up with it.;)
 

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South Park pointed out the meaning of the word intolerance which was good. It dosen't mean you like or approve of it, you just put up with it.;)

That would be the word "tolerance".

I agree that Islam is not inherently violent, although some interpretation of the word 'infidel' does allow the extremists to push their radical agenda through. It is only the real extremists who are pushing this agenda forward

Just remember that Islam is much younger than Christianity, and just as King Richard the Lionheart was out there killing people simply because they were not Christians, they are going through their 'crusades' just as we did. That doesnt excuse it though because History does not have to repeat itself.

I have a problem with the complete overreacting to criticism and jokes about Islam. Many religions tolerate jokes and criticism, in fact I think you should always ask questions about your faith; such questions only help to make your faith stronger, or if your faith dwindles as a result - it wasn't that strong in the beginning.

But recently a bishop in England - The Right Reverend Dr Michael Nazir-Ali, who claimed Islamic extremism has turned some communities into no-go areas for non-Muslims, received threats against himself and his family.

Is that not just proving his point?

Has anyone caught the Arch-Bishop of Centerbury stating that the UK should implement some areas of Sharia Law? My reaction to this is you have ONE law for the country, not conflicting ones - and if people dont like it they are free to leave. I dont go over to Islamic states ask them to change their laws to suit me, why should it work the other way?
 

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You are judging Islam by the people not by what's actually written in the Quran. Those terrorists think that they are doing the right thing because they are being mislead by their "religious" leaders. In middle eastern countries, anyone can call themselves a "Sheik" or religious leader; they don't need to have a license like here in America.

The Qur'an commands Muslims to stick up for themselves in a defensive battle -- i.e. if an enemy army attacks, then Muslims are to fight against that army until they stop their aggression. All of the verses that speak about fighting/war in the Qur'an are in this context. There are some specific verses that are very often "snipped" out of context, either by those trying to malign the faith, or by misguided Muslims themselves who wish to justify their aggressive tactics. For example, one verse (in its snipped version) reads: "slay them wherever you catch them" (Qur'an 2:191). But who is this referring to? Who are "they" that this verse discusses? The preceding and following verses give the correct context:
"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith. But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevails justice and faith in God; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression" (2:190-193). It is clear from the context that these verses are discussing a defensive war, when a Muslim community is attacked without reason, oppressed and prevented from practicing their faith. In these circumstances, permission is given to fight back -- but even then Muslims are instructed not to transgress limits, and to cease fighting as soon as the attacker gives up. Even in these circumstances, Muslim are only to fight directly against those who are attacking them, not innocent bystanders or non-combatants. Another similar verse can be found in chapter 9, verse 5 -- which in its snipped, out of context version could read: "fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)." Again, the preceding and following verses give the context. This verse was revealed during a historical period when the small Muslim community had entered into treaties with neighboring tribes (Jewish, Christian, and pagan). Several of the pagan tribes had violated the terms of their treaty, secretly aiding an enemy attack against the Muslim community. The verse directly before this one instructs the Muslims to continue to honor treaties with anyone who has not since betrayed them, because fulfilling agreements is considered a righteous action. Then the verse continues, that those who have violated the terms of the treaty have declared war, so fight them... (as quoted above). Directly after this permission to fight, the same verse continues, "but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them... for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful." The subsequent verses instruct the Muslims to grant asylum to any member of the pagan tribe/army who asks for it, and again reminds that "as long as these stand true to you, stand ye true to them: for God loves the righteous." Any verse that is quoted out of context misses the whole point of the message of the Qur'an. Nowhere in the Qur'an can be found support for indiscriminate slaughter, the killing of non-combatants, or murder of innocent persons in 'payback' for another people's alleged crimes. The Islamic teachings on this subject can be summed up in the following verses (Qur'an 60:7-8):
"It may be that God will grant love (and friendship) between you and those whom ye (now) hold as enemies. For God has power (over all things), and God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. God does not forbid you, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God loves those who are just. Islam - Verses of Qur'an That Condone "Killing the Infidel"?
 
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