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no.....he was just inexperienced at such a high level

Which is why he shouldn't have been there to begin with. The biggest stage in the world for the sport, and they're throwing out clueless officials.

I was a FIFA ref for 5 years in high school and afterward. I reffed high school games for two years after I got out, and I reffed CYSA (California traveling league) and AYSO games. That ref was an absolute abomination and a disgrace to the game. He robbed a team of a win due to his complete idiocy. Ranks right up there with Jim Joyce stealing a perfect game from the Tiger's Galarraga. He made himself the story rather than letting the players be the story, and there's nothing worse you can do as an official in any sport at any level.
 
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Not in the system England play he isn't. Gerrard is a better player, he does more work on the ball. Lampard I believe struggles with Gerrard because he is similar, whereas Gerrard is able to adapt his game more, although that doesn't make it right. And Gerrard on the left sucks a bigger dick than a pornstar in a gonzo movie. Although I'm sure he doesn't complain about it.

Don't get me wrong, Lampard is a good player, but I believe the biggest reason for that is because he plays in that midfield for Chelsea. With the likes of Essien, with the likes of Ballack, yanno, defensive hardmen who allow Lampard to play furtherforward, and any team with that stability (all the top teams have that kind of midfield now) is gonig to do well. And that's why I truly believe England will always struggle because the CM's are way to similar.
 

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Agreed, solution: Put barry in with them and play Rooney up front on his own.

This also mean Joe Cole can play, which every England fan would love to see. (If I have to break Wright-Phillips leg to facilitate this, I'll do it :) )
 

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I think it's about time I went and watched the match, don't trust ITV live, so I'll go to the local.
 

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Well that was shite.

People calling that not a disastrous result. Of course it is, you can't beat Algeria who are shit? Dearie me.

EDIT : I should just say it was ITV saying this, who mainly talk crap.
 
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england...that just wasn't good enough.....a 0 - 0 draw with algeria is embarrassing,that display lacked desire,spirit,inventiveness,creativity,confidence and self pride......total garbage
 

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They really didn't. Rooney hasn't got going yet, Heskey is just poor, Lampard and Gerrard did next to nothing, Lennon looked like a headless chicken, as did SWP.

I wouldn't even back them to beat Slovenia on this form.
 

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Wow, I really didn't see that coming. They just looked flat all game long... like they didn't give a shit. Now you guys have to beat Slovenia and hope that we lose to Algeria.
 

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yeah, for some reason I had looked at it wrong. God, this group has like 9 possible scenarios right now :24:
 

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Scenario A:
England beats Slovenia, United States beats Algeria, US and England advance, with goal differential determining who wins the group.

Scenario B:
England ties Slovenia, United States beats Algeria, Slovenia and US advance, with goal differential determining who wins the group (Slovenia is currently up 1 goal).

Scenario C:
England loses to Slovenia, United States beats Algeria, Slovenia advances as leader, US advances in 2nd.

Scenario D:
England beats Slovenia, United States ties Algeria, England advances as leader, Slovenia advances in 2nd.

Scenario E:
England ties Slovenia, United States ties with Algeria, Slovenia advances as leader, with total goals scored determining who comes in second between US and England (US is currently up 2 goals).

Scenario F:
England loses to Slovenia, United States ties with Algeria, Slovenia advances as leader, US advances as 2nd.

Scenario G:
England beats Slovenia, United States loses to Algeria, England advances as leader, with goal differential determining 2nd place between Slovenia and Algeria (Slovenia is currently up 1 goal).

Scenario H:
England ties Slovenia, United States loses to Algeria, Slovenia advances as leader, Algeria advances as 2nd.

Scenario I:
England loses to Slovenia, United States loses to Algeria, Slovenia advances as leader, Algeria advances as 2nd.
 

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Having had time to reflect, and I'm partly paraphrasing someone else's Facebook here, but to me had it been a 0-0 where England dominated it, created chance after chance and just couldn't hit the net you would have called it unlucky, but there still would have been positives to take out of the performance. Whereas with this performance it strikes me as a poor one because the players seemed to have no direction whatsoever.

Another thing is, I think people are too quick to proclaim England the winners. Without considering the opposition at all. And the same people wonder why they don't win. The other teams work on their own strengths and focus on where they can get at teams. It might be that they use pure pace to get past the slow defence England have. It might be to try and wind up Wayne Rooney, it might be to close down the supply from the midfield to stop the ball progressing further.

It only takes one chance to score a goal remember, so regardless of how good you might play, if you don't score you do not win. I know it's a hell of a cliche but England should learn from it. Goodness knows other teams have done the same thing in the past.

England's problems are numerous. The lack of a consistent goalkeeper is a concern. Sure James did ok tonight, without having to do an awful lot, but who's to say he will do that again? Johnson is not a right back, he's a full back. The centre halfs are really slow and will, not might, be exposed by faster players. Lampard and Gerrard cannot play together. Lennon's delivery is poor, as is Wright-Phillips. Rooney hasn't got going yet when the expectations were for him to do just that, and Heskey is a poor poor player. I see no reason why he should play.

@ Sky Blue. Spain and Germany might have been beaten, but Spain have only played once and do have better players than England, and Germany also won their first game, and didn't look that bad against Serbia. And France are just poor, but we knew that anyway.

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