The Two Most Divisive Presidents?

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siasl

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Yeah I guess those people jumping out of the 110th floor of the World Trade Center were running from the "big scary monster of terrorism" because as we all know there isn't any terrorism left in the world to be concerned about.
.....i think you meant to say "weren't"....and i thought you lawyer types were above playing to the emotional side of things ;)

i'm glad -i guess- those particular images are etched in someone else's mind, too, tho....
osama and his band of lunatics destroyed a lot of lives that day....there's not an american alive -and only a relatively small percentage of humans worldwide- that didn't/haven't grieved about 911, or will ever forget it....but the "big scary monster" of terrorism is the thing that will destroy our way of life......i firmly believe that only we can do that.....you might say that some liberals are destroying -or at least threatening- our way of life because they don't take the brutality, or the goals, of individual acts of terrorism seriously enough...that they resist necessary safeguards to insure "it never happens again" or that terrorism is purged from the face of the planet.

i'd probably agree to some extent....the west had certainly known about the existance of terrorist groups, and their actions, for a long, long time....it's a crime, imo, (and not bush's) that it had to come home to roost before it became serious enough to outrage us..... but none of that excuses the jr. bush's use of fear to solidify public opinion wrt to iraq.

I sorry I didn't understand that the First Amendment was situational. Please enlighten us, when is it okay for a president to ignore the First Amendment?
you'd have to ask abe for the specifics on that strauss.....all i said was that given the context, it made a certain amount of sense to me.....tough to want to win a war when your killing your own countrymen.....talk about the threat of destroying our way of life :eek

he took a risk violating the constitution....was it worth it?.....from this place, standing way down the road of history, we probably both agree it was.

I'll agree with your lack of thinking. There is no parallel, which is the point, Bush has never engaged in the same unconstitutional behavior as good old Abe. Now don't read that as a condemnation of Abe, I'm just pointing out the facts.
the weakest of your rebuttals, imo.....but arguably correct....

You suffer a severe case of BDS.
had to look that one up.....bush derangement syndrome?.....do you think he takes medication for that?
i don't know how i caught it....i thought it was only contagious if you were a conservative :p

maybe i'm being too reasonable about the guy
 
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not from my perspective ;)

how the hell did you come up with that user name anyway?

and I was impressed with myself for figuring it was you. no research just looking at the one post :p

your intuition is sometimes dead on......
acronym ...."stranger in a strange land"
 

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your intuition is sometimes dead on......
acronym ...."stranger in a strange land"
not sure where you are going

it had nothing to do with intuit.

just an observation.

and a good guess

based on prior data :D


as to the acronym part i have no clue where you are going with that one
 

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not sure where you are going

it had nothing to do with intuit.

just an observation.

and a good guess

based on prior data :D


as to the acronym part i have no clue where you are going with that one

don't be making too much of any of it, bill.....the intuition thing was a compliment....and i just liked the book :)
 

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Your lack of historical knowledge is showing. You forgot that Lincoln suspended habus corpus and locked up Francis Scott Keys' grandson doing it. Bush has never done that.

Lincoln censored the northern newspapers. (That First Amendment was just a restriction to avoid.) Bush never did that.

Lincoln justified all his actions as the ends justifying the means. Bush has never done that.

But Lincoln was not an idiot and he was behind a movement that actually improved the country, not tear it down.
 

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he took a risk violating the constitution....was it worth it?.....from this place, standing way down the road of history, we probably both agree it was.

That is the exact argument Lincoln made in defending his suspension of habus corpus. The Supreme Court wasn't buying it then and wouldn't buy it now. You have a bad case of situational ethics. When it comes to fighting slavery: Fuck the Constitution. When it comes to the Iraq War: The Constitution Fucked us.

And no we both don't agree.

Lincoln got away with it because liberals were shot then. ;)
 
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