The Ten Commandments

[Panacea]

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What is sensible for one person may not be sensible for another.

Man has always tried to justify his actions, particularly if it goes against the word of God (ironically enough, sometimes even in His name).

Good job, humans have subjective opinions, you and the troll get a cookie
You parallel this god with human parents in your attempt at discrediting my opinion that the christian god is a jealous one, but how is it like a human parent taking its children to the park in any way?

 

[Joe the meek]

Good job, humans have subjective opinions, you and the troll get a cookie
You parallel this god with human parents in your attempt at discrediting my opinion that the christian god is a jealous one, but how is it like a human parent taking its children to the park in any way?

My God is my Father. I am his child. To some Christians, we are all children of God.

Is there really that much difference between the way a man or a dog views the world they live in? I'm certain most men would think so due to our superior intelligence. The question is, in the grand scheme of things with all of the universes secrets, how much does man really know? Give us 300 years of the latest technology compared to the millions upon millions of years the earth is old, and we're soon becoming our own Gods and masters of the universe.

 

[Panacea]

My God is my Father. I am his child. To some Christians, we are all children of God.

Is there really that much difference between the way a man or a dog views the world they live in? I'm certain most men would think so due to our superior intelligence. The question is, in the grand scheme of things with all of the universes secrets, how much does man really know? Give us 300 years of the latest technology compared to the millions upon millions of years the earth is old, and we're soon becoming our own Gods and masters of the universe.

I understand that some people think their god is their father, but I guess my question was more how is that the case? I suppose the answer is just "because it is" or "because I think it is", given your second part.

Surely I agree, though, we may not know anything at all about the universe and its origins. Much like a dog. I am comfortable with that, and it's why I don't assume an answer to those things.

 

[MrHeinz]

I understand that some people think their god is their father, but I guess my question was more how is that the case? I suppose the answer is just "because it is" or "because I think it is", given your second part.

Surely I agree, though, we may not know anything at all about the universe and its origins. Much like a dog. I am comfortable with that, and it's why I don't assume an answer to those things.

And humans can't explain why what we perceive as our universe matches what is tested and proven to be our universe. In other words science can't explain it's own foundation so you must have faith to believe in it.

 

[Mercury]

I think that is a misconception about Christians.

I couldn't agree with you more. People tend to always imagine the worst case scenario in things. Many who claim their hatred towards Christianity, I think, picture only the fanatics ... and this is true for many organizations, which include Religious, Political or other Social organizations.

 

[clancy]

And humans can't explain why what we perceive as our universe matches what is tested and proven to be our universe. In other words science can't explain it's own foundation so you must have faith to believe in it.

Very thought provoking post. It is true science offers no explanantion of consciousness or morality really. So it is just as valid to believe we need things like the Ten Commandments for a moral guide as it is to believe that morals come naturally to us, yanno.

 

[Mercury]

Very thought provoking post. It is true science offers no explanantion of consciousness or morality really. So it is just as valid to believe we need things like the Ten Commandments for a moral guide as it is to believe that morals come naturally to us, yanno.

Agreed. I once saw a documentary that suggested that the two main emotions we Humans possess is Love and Fear and that all other emotions branch off of one of the two or both. It was really good actually ... I should see if I can find it.

 

[Stone]

And humans can't explain why what we perceive as our universe matches what is tested and proven to be our universe. In other words science can't explain it's own foundation so you must have faith to believe in it.

Science can only attempt to define what exists, reality. What is outside of reality is a 'perception' that can only be taken on faith.
That's the divide between science and faith that makes direct comparison of the two illogical.
But science isn't a 'faith'.....it's knowledge from the result of exploring/studying reality and only reality ( all that exists on our physical plane ). The 'foundation' is the physical properties of reality.
What is unknown of that foundation are questions yet to be answered.
And assumptions aren't in the realm of faith in the context of religion.

 

[Stone]

Interesting thread BTW.....:thumbup

 

[Stone]

1. Thou shalt not kill.

This one will always be a controversial one, I think. If it is taken at face value, it simply says that we should not kill. Period. No killing in war, or self-defense or even to kill any life. Now, this doesn’t make much sense to us as we must kill animals to eat meat (excluding vegetarians or vegans) and many of us would kill if our life or loved one's lives are threatened. So does this really mean, “Thou shalt not murder?” As to premeditate and conspire to end the life of another Human? Now, I think that the main Christian or Jewish ideology with this one is not to murder … sometimes I can’t help but wonder if there is more to this one though.

It does , indeed, seem controversial to me, too.
In Strong's Hebrew and Greek Dictionary, the term for kill in the earliest writings of that Commandment is 'man destroy'.
So that does seem to limit the coverage to humanity.
Fundamentalists seem to consider the term 'kill' refers to 'murder'.
But 'murder' is a term defined by human law.
That would make this a Commandment where human law is the determining factor.
I find it hard to believe God would leave this decision-making up to us in a Commandment unless the manner in which we apply it is a final consideration of how we are judged in the final end.