The story of stuff

[Springsteen]

Are you suggesting her explanation is false?

Nope, just saying her body language suggests she is able to express her thoughts with more.....expression for want of a better term because she is just on her own.

 

[edgray]

Nope, just saying her body language suggests she is able to express her thoughts with more.....expression for want of a better term because she is just on her own.

ok, fair enough

She's pretty good at communicating without being boring I think, and she clearly knows her stuff

 

[Dana]

sorry but george calin said it best in 1986 about stuff..

:24::24::24:

 

[Dana]

somebody broke the thread

 

[edgray]

it's all common knowledge anyway.

No it's not really. I'm sure the overall concept is pretty well understood, but the important points were pretty new to me.

Choosing not to learn something that is affecting everyone on the planet is kind of ignorant, Dana. This is worth giving up 20 minutes for.

 

[AUDRAA]

somebody broke the thread

yeah you did! its fixed now though

 

[AUDRAA]

Gentlemen the drama will stop now!Take it to pm's if you want to bicker like a couple of old ladies. I have edited the thread and if you both persist I will be issuing infractions. Keep the thread on topic or it will be closed.

 

[edgray]

what drama?

 

[Dana]

what drama?

Beats me... Hiel OTZ

 

[AUDRAA]

Beats me... Hiel OTZ

you wanna see a Natzi Dana?......... Dont push it!

 

[Dana]

Don't give her a shiny red button or we're doomed.

 

[BornReady]

It's an interesting video and makes some good points. I don't think the issue is as black and white as she tries to make it though. For example, here's Penn & Teller with a different pov on recycling. Recycling is bullshit.

[youtube]4wS1dv3iat8[/youtube]

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

If you follow their YouTube channel, one of their stories, I think it's bottled water, mentions how recycling isn't really recycling, it just gets shipped somewhere else or burned.

 

[Tangerine]

I can tell you from personal and professional knowledge that recycling is a huge myth when it comes to benefits. My restaurant has been certified as the only "green" restaurant in the SE United States for our efforts in all things environmental, so this is something I deal with on an almost daily basis. The push to do this came from our owners who are on all sorts of environmental task forces and committees and wanted a public face to their "green efforts" So we were told to go full steam ahead and elimate ALL waste going into landfills. We had our dumpster taken away almost 2 years ago, and haven't used one since.

The reality is... we spend more than TWICE as much each year to divert our garbage output into mixed recycling facilities and organic waste programs for composting. Aside from the cost, there's also three times as many trucks coming to our place each week to haul stuff away - which both pollutes more and burns more fossil fuels. The composting program does actually produce usable compost - which we BUY BACK at a pretty steep cost to use for rooftop gardens to grow herbs and veggies for our restaurant. Makes a great story... the whole "full circle" thing, but it's affected our operational costs very seriously. The herbs we grow on the roof cost almost 4X as much as the ones we buy from our produce company, and there's no difference in quality or taste. In fact, ours are actually LESS quality because we have more difficult weather factors to deal with in the urban environment.

The RECYCLING part is almost laughable. All of our non-organic waste goes to a sort facility where people spend hours and hours picking through the grossness. In the end, there are only two products that they are able to reclaim and sell as reusable recycling materials - metal cans and clear/white plastic. In the city of Atlanta (with more than 4.5 million people) there are only two recyling sorting facilitiies, and not one single company that will buy and use anything other than the two items I mention. Everything else goes... guess where? Right into a landfill. By truck. So at the end of the day, we've paid more money to more trucks to haul more garbage to an outside facility who then pays more money to more trucks to haul almost all of it to the very same landfill we were trying to avoid in the first place. We've increased waste, consumption and cost and managed to actually recycle about 5%-10% of our trash.

If we were smart, and the people in the process actually wanted to do something TRULY POSITIVE, we would simply sort the cans and white plastic out at the point where we throw away trash and have one truck per week come and pick up that stuff. In fact, they would likely pay us for it. But doing it that way wouldn't get headlines or TV news coverage about how "green" we are. I've really learned the hard truth that the "Green" in the Green movement is MONEY. Nothing more.

 

[Francis]

Funny how people are discovering this now.. I saw this video in 2008 when it was first posted.. I wanted to see if anyone would notice it has been reposted and rehashed.. NOPE.. Funny.. No one believed in this stuff in 2008..

Tell Apple about not producing stuff and they will tell you to go take a hike.. Their whole concept is based on new product launch after new product launch.. I have to laugh that she has an iPod as she starts the presentation and this was hidden for almost 3 years.. But realistically arn't human consumer by nature.. We eat, poop, eat and poop, hence the basis of consumerism at its best..

[youtube]gLBE5QAYXp8&[/youtube]

 

[anathelia]

We actually watched that video in my English101 class last fall. Pretty interesting stuff.

 

[mazHur]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se12y9hSOM0&feature=player_embedded

 

[edgray]

I can tell you from personal and professional knowledge that recycling is a huge myth when it comes to benefits. My restaurant has been certified as the only "green" restaurant in the SE United States for our efforts in all things environmental, so this is something I deal with on an almost daily basis. The push to do this came from our owners who are on all sorts of environmental task forces and committees and wanted a public face to their "green efforts" So we were told to go full steam ahead and elimate ALL waste going into landfills. We had our dumpster taken away almost 2 years ago, and haven't used one since.

The reality is... we spend more than TWICE as much each year to divert our garbage output into mixed recycling facilities and organic waste programs for composting. Aside from the cost, there's also three times as many trucks coming to our place each week to haul stuff away - which both pollutes more and burns more fossil fuels. The composting program does actually produce usable compost - which we BUY BACK at a pretty steep cost to use for rooftop gardens to grow herbs and veggies for our restaurant. Makes a great story... the whole "full circle" thing, but it's affected our operational costs very seriously. The herbs we grow on the roof cost almost 4X as much as the ones we buy from our produce company, and there's no difference in quality or taste. In fact, ours are actually LESS quality because we have more difficult weather factors to deal with in the urban environment.

The RECYCLING part is almost laughable. All of our non-organic waste goes to a sort facility where people spend hours and hours picking through the grossness. In the end, there are only two products that they are able to reclaim and sell as reusable recycling materials - metal cans and clear/white plastic. In the city of Atlanta (with more than 4.5 million people) there are only two recyling sorting facilitiies, and not one single company that will buy and use anything other than the two items I mention. Everything else goes... guess where? Right into a landfill. By truck. So at the end of the day, we've paid more money to more trucks to haul more garbage to an outside facility who then pays more money to more trucks to haul almost all of it to the very same landfill we were trying to avoid in the first place. We've increased waste, consumption and cost and managed to actually recycle about 5%-10% of our trash.

If we were smart, and the people in the process actually wanted to do something TRULY POSITIVE, we would simply sort the cans and white plastic out at the point where we throw away trash and have one truck per week come and pick up that stuff. In fact, they would likely pay us for it. But doing it that way wouldn't get headlines or TV news coverage about how "green" we are. I've really learned the hard truth that the "Green" in the Green movement is MONEY. Nothing more.

It's true, current "recycling" is very badly done, making it a complete sham. The video does go into that. The entire consumption model needs to be changed from start to finish.

 

[mazHur]

I can tell you from personal and professional knowledge that recycling is a huge myth when it comes to benefits. My restaurant has been certified as the only "green" restaurant in the SE United States for our efforts in all things environmental, so this is something I deal with on an almost daily basis. The push to do this came from our owners who are on all sorts of environmental task forces and committees and wanted a public face to their "green efforts" So we were told to go full steam ahead and elimate ALL waste going into landfills. We had our dumpster taken away almost 2 years ago, and haven't used one since.

The reality is... we spend more than TWICE as much each year to divert our garbage output into mixed recycling facilities and organic waste programs for composting. Aside from the cost, there's also three times as many trucks coming to our place each week to haul stuff away - which both pollutes more and burns more fossil fuels. The composting program does actually produce usable compost - which we BUY BACK at a pretty steep cost to use for rooftop gardens to grow herbs and veggies for our restaurant. Makes a great story... the whole "full circle" thing, but it's affected our operational costs very seriously. The herbs we grow on the roof cost almost 4X as much as the ones we buy from our produce company, and there's no difference in quality or taste. In fact, ours are actually LESS quality because we have more difficult weather factors to deal with in the urban environment.

The RECYCLING part is almost laughable. All of our non-organic waste goes to a sort facility where people spend hours and hours picking through the grossness. In the end, there are only two products that they are able to reclaim and sell as reusable recycling materials - metal cans and clear/white plastic. In the city of Atlanta (with more than 4.5 million people) there are only two recyling sorting facilitiies, and not one single company that will buy and use anything other than the two items I mention. Everything else goes... guess where? Right into a landfill. By truck. So at the end of the day, we've paid more money to more trucks to haul more garbage to an outside facility who then pays more money to more trucks to haul almost all of it to the very same landfill we were trying to avoid in the first place. We've increased waste, consumption and cost and managed to actually recycle about 5%-10% of our trash.

If we were smart, and the people in the process actually wanted to do something TRULY POSITIVE, we would simply sort the cans and white plastic out at the point where we throw away trash and have one truck per week come and pick up that stuff. In fact, they would likely pay us for it. But doing it that way wouldn't get headlines or TV news coverage about how "green" we are. I've really learned the hard truth that the "Green" in the Green movement is MONEY. Nothing more.

I think sorting our waste is a greater problem in advanced countries than poor countries where labor is abundant and cheap and manual sorting is very cheap.

 

[darkcgi]

I be haven no sound at work.
I will watch it later
sounds interesting