The Right To Die For Your Beliefs?

[Tim]

Just because a patient is in our care does not give us the right to take THEIR RIGHTS away. We may not agree with the personal decisions of all our patients, but those decisions are THEIR DECISIONS to make. Not ours.

I agree with that Grace...

But it must put the doctors in a terrible position when they take an oath to save lives. I would hate to be her doctor and just watch her die knowing that a routine procedure would save her life... especially knowing that she just gave birth to twins.

My biggest problem is that the JW's are told what they can and cannot do by the Watch Tower. They are not allowed to read the bible alone, only in bible studies when there is an elder present to help them interpret it.
And the Watch Tower has changed it's position on taking blood over the years. And if you go against the watch tower, you will be shunned by ALL JW's... that means your friends and family will not be able to have ANY contact with you at all... It's just a messed up religion IMHO... I guess they need some sort of "threat to keep the sheep in line" to use since they don't believe in hell.

 

[NightWarrior]

I don't know the facts here, but didn't it say somewhere that the hospital staff didn't know how to use a machine that would have recycled her lost blood, in effect saving her life? Seems like there's going to be some rich Mormons to me.

 

[All Else Failed]

Just because a patient is in our care does not give us the right to take THEIR RIGHTS away. We may not agree with the personal decisions of all our patients, but those decisions are THEIR DECISIONS to make. Not ours.

I agree. Although I think her decision is several shades of fucked up.

 

[HisHoliness]

Didn't she see the selfishness in her actions thoguh? Think about the children that will have no mother now.

I agree with that Grace...
And if you go against the watch tower, you will be shunned by ALL JW's... that means your friends and family will not be able to have ANY contact with you at all...

I guess when you consider that she'll be ostracized from her family, there really would be little point in living.

She probably thought of it this way:

1. Die. Live with God. Wait for family.
2. Live. Lose God. Lose family.

Now personally, I'm with Tim. It's a screwed up cult. I don't know how it is in other places, but in Hawaii they are comprised of idiot minority groups. I think it's written in their by-laws or something that each parishioner must be intellectually equivalent to a Neanderthal to join. They walk around my neighborhood door to door, and even downtown right outside the office I work at soliciting their beliefs. I'm clearly biased, as they annoy the shit out of me almost every day.

 

[Boomer]

I would die for my beliefs and woe to anyone who got in my way.

 

[GraceAbounds]

I guess when you consider that she'll be ostracized from her family, there really would be little point in living.

She probably thought of it this way:

1. Die. Live with God. Wait for family.
2. Live. Lose God. Lose family.

Now personally, I'm with Tim. It's a screwed up cult.

I think that JW and Mormons are both cult groups. The religious sects claim to be Christians, yet Christians don't claim JW and Mormons as part of the body of Christ.

I have friends that are ex JW's and ex Mormons and their testimonies are scary and sad to say the least. One of my friends is not allowed to see her siblings because she decided to not be a JW anymore. She is married and has a child and her parents are not a part of the child's life. It just really trips me out and my heart goes out to her.

 

[Sparkler]

Similar to your story about friends being shunned I've been told the same,even my friend's family shun her and refuse to acknowledge her existence.

 

[highbulletmind]

I think that anyone has the right to die for what they believe in. Personally, I think it's kind of stupid just because we can't be assured what's after death, so why waste your life? But thats a whole different argument.

 

[Maritxu]

It's pretty fucked up that some sects/cults brainwash people that badly

 

[Dev]

Yes, people should be allowed to believe whatever they want. However, those beliefs should not be permitted to overlap and interfere with the lives and/or beliefs of others. I'm not going to get into a discussion about how organized religion is just a not-so-well-disguised from of political control. Instead I'm going to ask: What about the children? Those poor kids will live their entire lives without knowing their mother. How do you think this will affect them? Certainly not positively. What if it was their choice, their religious belief, that they should be allowed to grow up with a mom to care for them? What kind of person would intentionally harm the well-being of their kids because of the arbitrary edicts of some silly social construct? A blind, selfish, and narrow-minded fool. Is this the epitome of the teachings of Jehovah? No wonder Christianity has more followers.