The real bad guys use real torture:

[gLing]

Murder for murder.

Murder is the unlawful killing of another human being. Comparing the execution of a serial killer to him murdering his innocent victims is utterly ridiculous.

 

[gLing]

Are you eve serious with that statement? It doesn't even apply.

It is a perfect demonstration of YOUR reasoning. By your reasoning that is torture in my case.

 

[Maulds]

My bad, lets not get off on that. Lets stick to hearing the ways we should get info, the smiles, rainbows, and kittens way.

 

[Peter Parka]

The 1984 United Nations Convention Against Torture (Article 1) provides a definition of torture that is considered customary.

International humanitarian law (IHL) differs somewhat from this definition in not requiring the involvement of a person acting in an official capacity as a condition for an act intended to inflict severe pain or suffering to be defined as torture.

The ICRC uses the broad term "ill-treatment" to cover both torture and other methods of abuse prohibited by international law, including inhuman, cruel, humiliating, and degrading treatment, outrages upon personal dignity and physical or moral coercion.

The legal difference between torture and other forms of ill treatment lies in the level of severity of pain or suffering imposed. In addition, torture requires the existence of a specific purpose behind the act – to obtain information, for example.

The various terms used to refer to different forms of ill treatment or infliction of pain can be explained as follows:

• Torture: existence of a specific purpose plus intentional infliction of severe suffering or pain;

• Cruel or inhuman treatment: no specific purpose, significant level of suffering or pain inflicted;

• Outrages upon personal dignity: no specific purpose, significant level of humiliation or degradation.

Methods of ill treatment may be both physical and/or psychological in nature and both methods may have physical and psychological effects.






Jesus how many times do we have to go over this!:smiley24: I swear there are some people who will swear black is white.:horse

 

[Pudding Time]

lol @ those saying the only alternative is to pamper them.


So answer me this. If waterboarding isn't torture:

Why has the US military banned it?

Why does the CIA have to fly suspects to other countries to perform it?

 

[All Else Failed]

It is a perfect demonstration of YOUR reasoning. By your reasoning that is torture in my case.

I doubt you are left with permanent mental/emotional harm that renders several aspects of your life damaged.

 

[gLing]

lol @ those saying the only alternative is to pamper them.


So answer me this. If waterboarding isn't torture:

Why has the US military banned it?

Why does the CIA have to fly suspects to other countries to perform it?

Politics plain and simple.

I doubt you are left with permanent mental/emotional harm that renders several aspects of your life damaged.

How do you know I don't? And how do you know those who went through water boarding do?

 

[HisHoliness]

• Torture: existence of a specific purpose plus intentional infliction of severe suffering or pain;

That's a terribly deficient definition.

 

[Maulds]

That's a terribly deficient definition.

But you love rainbows

 

[All Else Failed]

Politics plain and simple.


How do you know I don't? And how do you know those who went through water boarding do?

Because what you stated isn't the same as torture. Going through a tough time in a car that makes you ancxiousisn't the same as someone intentionally capturing you, imprisoning you, strapping you down to a table, turning you upside down in a dark room, screaming at you for hours and making you think you are going to die.

 

[HisHoliness]

But you love rainbows

I fucken love rainbows. I hear at the end of the rainbow, one will find a Leprechaun waterboarding an Islamic Fundamentalist.

 

[All Else Failed]

And a US marine mangled by an I.E.D who didn't deserve to be.

 

[Maulds]

I hear at the end of the rainbow, one will find a Leprechaun waterboarding an Islamic Fundamentalist.

In that case I love them too.

 

[gLing]

Because what you stated isn't the same as torture. Going through a tough time in a car that makes you ancxiousisn't the same as someone intentionally capturing you, imprisoning you, strapping you down to a table, turning you upside down in a dark room, screaming at you for hours and making you think you are going to die.

And nor is any of that the same as torture where they inflict terrible and sever pain upon your body.
Oh and ever time I get on the freeway, I'm convinced I'm going to die. Phobias can have that effect on people.

 

[All Else Failed]

And nor is any of that the same as torture where they inflict terrible and sever pain upon your body.
Oh and ever time I get on the freeway, I'm convinced I'm going to die. Phobias can have that effect on people.

Except not all torture is physical.

 

[Pudding Time]

Politics plain and simple.

Sorry, that answer doesn't cut it.

 

[gLing]

Except not all torture is physical.

Of course not but somebody could use the mental angle and call any and everything torture.

Sorry, that answer doesn't cut it.

I'm sure you'll get over it.

 

[All Else Failed]

Of course not but somebody could use the mental angle and call any and everything torture.


I'm sure you'll get over it.

Not really. it depends on the severity.

 

[gLing]

Not really. it depends on the severity.

Exactly. Using something that does not actually hurt anybody but instead scares them is not torture. Pulling somebody's finger nails out or whipping them half to death is.

 

[Peter Parka]

That's a terribly deficient definition.

Hey, I didn't write it, it's the common worldwide definition. Don't shoot the messenger!