"The most expensive 100 Days for the American people"

[Alien Allen]

He's only had a 100 days, give it a little more time and we won't be the minority anymore.

yup :nod:

The liberals think they have a mandate. Same as the hard right did in the 90's

We are more to the middle than this idiot and his puppet masters in congress think we are.

The republicans were a friggin abortion but in time they will get some leadership and then the tide will return.

In the mean time the damage done by Bush pales compared to the financial burden Obama and the dems have placed on us with this stimulus bull shit

 

[Meirionnydd]

yup :nod:

The liberals think they have a mandate. Same as the hard right did in the 90's

We are more to the middle than this idiot and his puppet masters in congress think we are.

The republicans were a friggin abortion but in time they will get some leadership and then the tide will return.

In the mean time the damage done by Bush pales compared to the financial burden Obama and the dems have placed on us with this stimulus bull shit

Ahh Republican Leadership... Maybe Rush Limbaugh will run for president in 2012. And capture the 20 odd percent of the US population who still identify themselves as Republican.

 

[Alien Allen]

Ahh Republican Leadership... Maybe Rush Limbaugh will run for president in 2012. And capture the 20 odd percent of the US population who still identify themselves as Republican.

He is an entertainer. Must be doing something right to be so popular. I don't see any liberals with a show like that has any substantive numbers listening.

 

[SgtSpike]

Whatever happened in Bush's administration doesn't compare to what Obama is doing to completely destroy our economy. This is such a critical time and instead of Obama spending he should be decreasing the budget. If Obama continues to his crazed spending he is going to put the US even further behind the rest of the world. Before the year 2050 China's economy will be more powerful than the US simply because of it's size. Obama should be taking steps to increase our economies strength and power, not destorying the dollar.

Obama makes me fuckin sick. Sorry for swearing, but this is not the direction I want to see the country go in, and I fear we shall see the fall of the United States in the next 100 years, much like the fall of the Roman Empire.

QFT. :thumbup

That's one perspective that's currently in the minority...

Do I need to link to that MSN poll again, where the majority of people were giving Obama grades of a D or an F on his handling of everything in the past 100 days? That certainly doesn't sound like a minority to me...

 

[Alien Allen]

Sarge please do provide a link to that MSN pole. I have not seen anything to indicate that

 

[Strauss]

Sarge please do provide a link to that MSN pole. I have not seen anything to indicate that

While you are at link to the poll as well.

 

[Alien Allen]

While you are at link to the poll as well.

Ah now it get it

It is not a real poll

It is an online poll of Obamamaniacs who use MSN

 

[SgtSpike]

Ah now it get it

It is not a real poll

It is an online poll of Obamamaniacs who use MSN

Lol, you really want to argue that NBC is a conservative news source? There's some of the most leftist stuff I've ever seen on there.

Regardless, it still shows there are a TON of people who are very unhappy at the direction Obama is taking this nation.

Basically sealing the fate of our children and grandchildren - they'll be paying a 50%+ tax rate just to pay the interest on this absurdly high spending spree.

Enjoy it while it lasts. All this spending will certainly give the economy a boost... or at least it should. But we're gonna pay for it BIG time down the road. Hope all you Obama-worshipers are happy.

 

[Alien Allen]

Lol, you really want to argue that NBC is a conservative news source? There's some of the most leftist stuff I've ever seen on there.

Regardless, it still shows there are a TON of people who are very unhappy at the direction Obama is taking this nation.

Basically sealing the fate of our children and grandchildren - they'll be paying a 50%+ tax rate just to pay the interest on this absurdly high spending spree.

Enjoy it while it lasts. All this spending will certainly give the economy a boost... or at least it should. But we're gonna pay for it BIG time down the road. Hope all you Obama-worshipers are happy.

I have been against the stimulus and bank bailout from the beginning Sarge. I just disagree with you on the auto loans.

I despise the guys policies. Make no mistake on that one.

 

[SgtSpike]

I have been against the stimulus and bank bailout from the beginning Sarge. I just disagree with you on the auto loans.

I despise the guys policies. Make no mistake on that one.

Ah, gotcha. I couldn't really tell from your post, so I was directing that to liberals in general. Didn't mean to catch you in the fray.

 

[Alien Allen]

Ah, gotcha. I couldn't really tell from your post, so I was directing that to liberals in general. Didn't mean to catch you in the fray.

No problem

If you lived where I did you might have a different perspective.

MI has a 12 1/2 % unemployment rate which will climb to over 15% by the end of the year

Detroit has a 22% unemployment rate right now. Not including more plants closing. During the depression the national unemployment rate was 25%

This is last months data.

There are a lot of suppliers around this area also that will fold.

Get the picture now what an auto collapse would do to MI and Detroit?

Were you this callous when Katrina devastated New Orleans??

 

[SgtSpike]

No problem

If you lived where I did you might have a different perspective.

MI has a 12 1/2 % unemployment rate which will climb to over 15% by the end of the year

Detroit has a 22% unemployment rate right now. Not including more plants closing. During the depression the national unemployment rate was 25%

This is last months data.

There are a lot of suppliers around this area also that will fold.

Get the picture now what an auto collapse would do to MI and Detroit?

Were you this callous when Katrina devastated New Orleans??

I admit I'm not the most sympathetic person, and that's probably not a good thing. But I'm just trying to think of the whole nation here, and what is best. Accumulating more national debt on the behalf of failing companies just does not seem like a wise thing to me, that is all. Especially when those companies have made bad decisions that led them down this path. All that says to other corporations is, "don't worry about running your business, if you make bad choices and go under, we'll keep you afloat."

We can feel sorry for people losing jobs all we want, but IMO, the best way to deal with it is to let things happen, and learn from them to be sure they do not happen again. If we tried to help every company out that was going to close their doors in the same way we've helped the automakers, we'd be in a world of trouble as a nation. It'd also bring us several steps closer to the ever-looming threat of communism.

BTW, unemployment in Eugene has hit around 14% if I'm not mistaken. We're definitely feeling the pain of the economy here too, though I understand, not nearly as bad as Detroit.

And no, I was not this callous when Katrina hit. That was a terrible thing. This whole mess is man-made though, and I guess that is why I am not as sympathetic to those involved. It could have been avoided, but it wasn't, due to bad decision-making.

 

[Minor Axis]

Great way to ignore the rest of my comment. What Obama is doing will effect us for years to come if not decades.

It's possible that our economy will be ruined. I'm not an economic expert. However even I could recognize where we were headed under Republican Party leadership and all most any alternative would be worth a shot. Most disturbing was the wholesale destruction of the Middle Class and degredation of the Working Class in the name of personal profits by those in charge of large corporations. Most American's felt that way and said no way to McCain and more of the same BS.

The future is unknown. Dumping hundreds of billions of dollars into the economy most likely will prevent another great depression, and will most likely usher in a new round of regulations to prevent greed-driven idiots from taking country to the edge in the future. But as soon as the regulations are in place, there will be a conservative chorus of "we could make so much more money if not for these stupid regulations!" and attempts will immediately start to unravel any regulations meant to prevent future excesses, because that is what greed is all about, excess.

What is most amusing when individuals who have labled themselves "conservative" bemoan the current turn of events but don't bother to acknowledge it was so-called conservative policies, (that were not conservative policies), but were widely supported by conservatives in this country, took us to the brink and enabled Obama to be elected by a landslide. Accept responsibility!

 

[Strauss]

The future is unknown. Dumping hundreds of billions of dollars into the economy most likely will prevent another great depression, and will most likely usher in a new round of regulations to prevent greed-driven idiots from taking country to the edge in the future.

Actually its not hundreds of billions its TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS. The liberals were SCREAMING that Bush was forcing our grandchildren to pay off the deficit. Well Obama has outspent Bush by 3 times and only in 100 days. And nothing he has done lessened or shortened the recession..its all smoke and mirrors. Many many highly respected economists from the best universities in the United States have call the Obama plan a recipe for disaster. Let's look at the real numbers (the Obama stimulus plan is an off-the-books- expense you don't see it in other words, just like social security).

Projected Deficit

In the first independent analysis, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office concluded that President Obama's budget would rack up massive deficits even after the economy recovers, forcing the nation to borrow nearly $9.3 trillion over the next decade.

Take a look at the graph of what our great great great grandchildren will be dealing with.

Projected Deficit - washingtonpost.com

 

[Alien Allen]

What is most amusing when individuals who have labled themselves "conservative" bemoan the current turn of events but don't bother to acknowledge it was so-called conservative policies, (that were not conservative policies), but were widely supported by conservatives in this country, took us to the brink and enabled Obama to be elected by a landslide. Accept responsibility!

Keep repeating that nonsense. The republicans are the ones that fucked things up not the conservatives. The reps no longer can be called conservatives and Bush was at the head of the class.

 

[KpAtch3s]

It's possible that our economy will be ruined. I'm not an economic expert. However even I could recognize where we were headed under Republican Party leadership and all most any alternative would be worth a shot. Most disturbing was the wholesale destruction of the Middle Class and degredation of the Working Class in the name of personal profits by those in charge of large corporations. Most American's felt that way and said no way to McCain and more of the same BS.

The future is unknown. Dumping hundreds of billions of dollars into the economy most likely will prevent another great depression, and will most likely usher in a new round of regulations to prevent greed-driven idiots from taking country to the edge in the future. But as soon as the regulations are in place, there will be a conservative chorus of "we could make so much more money if not for these stupid regulations!" and attempts will immediately start to unravel any regulations meant to prevent future excesses, because that is what greed is all about, excess.

What is most amusing when individuals who have labled themselves "conservative" bemoan the current turn of events but don't bother to acknowledge it was so-called conservative policies, (that were not conservative policies), but were widely supported by conservatives in this country, took us to the brink and enabled Obama to be elected by a landslide. Accept responsibility!

Everyone especially liberals/Democrats (because they are mostly one in the same unlike conservatives and republicans) seem to forget that Fannie Mae and Freddi Mac, which are some sort of pseudo government corporation, were pressuring banks to give out loans people who couldn't afford them in the first place. You are blaming the problem on the Republican party, but how about Obama placing 2nd in campaign contributions from them! The top 3 are all Democrats!

FOXNews.com - Barack Obama's Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac Connection - John Gibson Radio

Secondly it doesn't take an economic genius to understand what Obama's spending is doing to our country. If you've graduated from college then you were required to take one economic class, and if you were a business major you were required to take at least one more. Refer back to your books and do some reading and it is very easy to see that Obama's plan will absolutely destroy our economy and we'll experience high inflation if steps aren't taken NOW to reverse his idiocy.

As others have pointed out Obama is spending over a TRILLION! Next years budgest is expected to be over 3 TRILLION!

Also what is your definition of a landslide election? My sources say Obama won the election by a margin of about 7%.

Go here to see what a landslide eletion looks like:
United States presidential election, 1984 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lets compare that to this page:
United States presidential election, 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia