The land of religious tolerance

[The Man]

So tim are you saying the world will be a better place if and when it evolves to atheism as a result of rejecting all other beliefs.

 

[Tim]

So tim are you saying the world will be a better place if and when it evolves to atheism as a result of rejecting all other beliefs.

Absolutely

 

[The Man]

Absolutely

Thats a perfect example of intolerance Tim...I am disappointed you do not realize that.

I will change the name and belief and re write for demonstration

So Osama are you saying the world will be a better place if and when it evolves to Islam as a result of rejecting all other beliefs.

Osama responds with absolutely

 

[porterjack]

Thats a perfect example of intolerance Tim...I am disappointed you do not realize that.

I will change the name and belief and re write for demonstration

So Osama are you saying the world will be a better place if and when it evolves to Islam as a result of rejecting all other beliefs.

Osama responds with absolutely

Islam and atheism are obviously not the same

 

[The Man]

Not good... global violence.....and this is just the listed violence..how much more we dont know.


http://news.yahoo.com/clashes-egypt-over-film-protests-spread-115710576--finance.html

 

[Mercury]

Not good... global violence.....and this is just the listed violence..how much more we dont know.


http://news.yahoo.com/clashes-egypt-over-film-protests-spread-115710576--finance.html

Yep ... more and more.

I thought I read somewhere where the film maker said something along the lines of, "I didn't realize it would cause such a disturbance ..." Which, to me, shows ignorance on his part for not fully understanding the Islam faith. Of course anything that depicts Mohammad is going to cause a lot of problems as it is completely against their religious code.

Now, we here in the United States look at it as, "All that violence and bloodshed over a film ..." which of course we would. We are used to the idea of free speech, the ability to share ideas without the fear of retribution (to an extent). While those areas, which are ancient, have had Islam as the ONLY way of life which is taught. Now, the extremists will be able to use this as a "reason" for continued violence while those who are more rather for peaceful protest will be grouped in with the violent ones.

All of this will only add fuel to an already combustible region that burns out of control. Do I feel that the film maker(s) should be held criminally for their film? No, they have every right to do as they did under law. Morally speaking, it is my opinion that they were rather short-sighted and lack the idea of tolerance. Which there are people hate the word tolerance. Adolf Hitler was one who despised the idea and was able to point his finger at groups of people and say, "NO TOLERANCE FOR THE ENEMY!" and many followed.

 

[Stone]

Absolutely

You forgot the 'IMO'.

 

[The Man]

Yep ... more and more.

I thought I read somewhere where the film maker said something along the lines of, "I didn't realize it would cause such a disturbance ..." Which, to me, shows ignorance on his part for not fully understanding the Islam faith. Of course anything that depicts Mohammad is going to cause a lot of problems as it is completely against their religious code.

Now, we here in the United States look at it as, "All that violence and bloodshed over a film ..." which of course we would. We are used to the idea of free speech, the ability to share ideas without the fear of retribution (to an extent). While those areas, which are ancient, have had Islam as the ONLY way of life which is taught. Now, the extremists will be able to use this as a "reason" for continued violence while those who are more rather for peaceful protest will be grouped in with the violent ones.

All of this will only add fuel to an already combustible region that burns out of control. Do I feel that the film maker(s) should be held criminally for their film? No, they have every right to do as they did under law. Morally speaking, it is my opinion that they were rather short-sighted and lack the idea of tolerance. Which there are people hate the word tolerance. Adolf Hitler was one who despised the idea and was able to point his finger at groups of people and say, "NO TOLERANCE FOR THE ENEMY!" and many followed.

I thought I read somewhere where the film maker said something along the lines of, "I didn't realize it would cause such a disturbance ...

Which is a fair statement on his part...he along with many others are under educated in regard as to how strong the Muslim faith is.

Of course anything that depicts Mohammad is going to cause a lot of problems as it is completely against their religious code.

Agreed as shown by the current global violence.

Now, the extremists will be able to use this as a "reason" for continued violence while those who are more rather for peaceful protest will be grouped in with the violent ones.

The extremists dont need a reason.....however I am not aware of any peaceful protests.
Additionally why should any protest exist at all.
This would be no different than members of the US protesting in regard to films shown abroad in regard to hate for jews and Christians....Perhaps we should if we indeed want tolerance global wide..
I find it hypocritical for people abroad to find this film objectionable while the same is occurring there as well towards Jews and Christians.

 

[Mercury]

The extremists dont need a reason.....however I am not aware of any peaceful protests.
Additionally why should any protest exist at all.
This would be no different than members of the US protesting in regard to films shown abroad in regard to hate for jews and Christians....Perhaps we should if we indeed want tolerance global wide..
I find it hypocritical for people abroad to find this film objectionable while the same is occurring there as well towards Jews and Christians.

True ... hence why they are extremists. I should have said, now they have something to hide behind.

Perhaps peaceful is the incorrect word as well since that could be considered subjective. I suppose what I mean is the difference between those burning the American flag and chanting compared to those who will actually begin throwing stones and shooting at police forces, or storming embassies.

I agree that the idea is hypocritical that so many will do as they do, but I also realize that these people are so closed off from thinking anywhere outside of Islam that they think that Islam is all there is and should be. ... I guess kind of like, "Forgive them for they do not know what they do" sort of thing? (This is strictly for the protesters and not of the violent extremists btw).

Now don't get me wrong, It also angers me to see so many people out going nuts over something that is relatively pretty trivial when considering the giant picture of things. But, I do try to keep in mind the circumstances that surrounds the situation ... the tolerance of a different culture and religion.

Now what I don't get ... is it really that important to stay tied to a region that we can't completely conquer or pacify?

 

[The Man]

True ... hence why they are extremists. I should have said, now they have something to hide behind.

Perhaps peaceful is the incorrect word as well since that could be considered subjective. I suppose what I mean is the difference between those burning the American flag and chanting compared to those who will actually begin throwing stones and shooting at police forces, or storming embassies.

I agree that the idea is hypocritical that so many will do as they do, but I also realize that these people are so closed off from thinking anywhere outside of Islam that they think that Islam is all there is and should be. ... I guess kind of like, "Forgive them for they do not know what they do" sort of thing? (This is strictly for the protesters and not of the violent extremists btw).

Now don't get me wrong, It also angers me to see so many people out going nuts over something that is relatively pretty trivial when considering the giant picture of things. But, I do try to keep in mind the circumstances that surrounds the situation ... the tolerance of a different culture and religion.

Now what I don't get ... is it really that important to stay tied to a region that we can't completely conquer or pacify?

I think you summed it up very well...with "its all they know" closed off or rejection of anything else.
That rejection in itself only causes it to grow..Islam is the fastest growing religion in part due to its design.
If I went to a Muslim nation I either need to be Muslim or exit out of there as fast as possible.
I dont blame the people themselves...for its all they know as you say ...but the fact that it is happening and only growing is my concern

 

[Minor Axis]

More bullshit. You appear to be a master of it.
I've read your posts in the past where you essentially denigrate all of Christian thought and the source of it's foundation.....the Holy Bible, which I remember you going out of your way to describe as a moldy old book of myths.
Where was the respect for opinion that you keep bleating about?

Stone you are too thin skinned about your Christianity and if it's not your Christianity, then you spend a lot of time with your feathers ruffled when critiques are directed at it.

A moldy old book = a book written 1500-2000 years ago containing 1500-2000 year old notions. It is old and the premises it contains seem to be moldy with age. I'm sorry if it is a harsh description, but it seems appropriate. Regarding Mormonism and golden tablets, that is my observation.

And I, as anyone have the right, the duty to question the words in the Holy Bible if they don't make sense; if they don't add up; if they don't seem to have a foundation based on anything that is real. I'm sorry you view it as denigration, that's your problem. You've given up trying to explain, but instead amuse yourself resorting to sarcasm to make excuses for something that appears to lie in the realm of fantasy. I'm open minded. I don't say these things because I enjoy picking on Christianity. I realize it's faith, hence it can't be proven. The stories just don't resonate with me and it's especially tiring when devote people push the Holy Bible as truth, want to push what they insist are God's rules on the rest of us, incorporating those beliefs into law if they could.

You spend a lot of time trying to denigrate my statements regarding the Earth Simulator. Sadly, you don't appear bright enough to realize the premise is based on Christian theology. And you keep disingenuously insisting this is my belief. It's not my belief, I'm Agnostic, but I admit the notion is appealing. Keep pushing it because it illustrates the insincerity of your arguments.

And I have explained it. It's not any different than what Christianity believes, but it is my perspective. And just for your benefit, I'll explain it again. Many religions believe that at our core, we are spirits who have come to Earth to inhabit a physical body. And in the end the body dies and the spirit moves on/back to a different plane/place/dimension. In essence it is the soul and the place that the soul came from and returned to that is the reality. Although it can be argued that Earth and our lives is a real experience, a human life span equates to a moment, when viewed in terms of the the enduring soul. The point is and has been, what is the reality? The differentiation might be nuanced, but with this reference, events on Earth could be viewed as a simulation. In terms you might relate to, we killed Jesus, he suffered, but now he lives in heaven. A head on collision kills all the children of a couple, but in the end, (about a nano-second when viewed in terms of infinity), they will all be in heaven living together in paradise. So based on this "theory" or "fantasy", how would you describe our lives on Earth. What is the enduring reality?

Btw, I'm not expecting any kind of a thoughtful reply from you, but maybe you'll surprise me.

 

[Tim]

Thats a perfect example of intolerance Tim...I am disappointed you do not realize that.

I will change the name and belief and re write for demonstration

So Osama are you saying the world will be a better place if and when it evolves to Islam as a result of rejecting all other beliefs.

Osama responds with absolutely

Your post is a classic example of why I don't even try to educate you. You prove time and time again that you don't even possess the mental capacity of abstract thought.

Let me see if I can put this in a simple form for you.

Let's replace religion with sports.

All over the world you have different sports fans that get very passionate about their sport/team. There are games that end up in violence and sometimes people die over these sporting events. Different parts of the world follow different types of sports, some more violent than others. Some of these sports have led to millions of deaths over the years and some are still taking lives in the name of their sport.
Over many years more and more people start to loose interest and don't play or support these sports anymore. Then one day in the future people aren't playing any sports anymore. There is no more violence or death connected to sports because there are no more sports. Not because everyone is now playing the same game, but because no one is playing any of them...

don't worry, I won't hold my breath that you will understand...

 

[Minor Axis]

Let's replace religion with sports.

And it pertains because some people treat their sports as religions.

 

[The Man]

Your post is a classic example of why I don't even try to educate you. You prove time and time again that you don't even possess the mental capacity of abstract thought.

Let me see if I can put this in a simple form for you.

Let's replace religion with sports.

All over the world you have different sports fans that get very passionate about their sport/team. There are games that end up in violence and sometimes people die over these sporting events. Different parts of the world follow different types of sports, some more violent than others. Some of these sports have led to millions of deaths over the years and some are still taking lives in the name of their sport.
Over many years more and more people start to loose interest and don't play or support these sports anymore. Then one day in the future people aren't playing any sports anymore. There is no more violence or death connected to sports because there are no more sports. Not because everyone is now playing the same game, but because no one is playing any of them...

don't worry, I won't hold my breath that you will understand...

Your post is a classic example of why I don't even try to educate you. You prove time and time again that you don't even possess the mental capacity of abstract thought.

I hand your ass to you again....and in typical tim fashion..you act like a little snot nosed bitch,,,You my friend are a disgrace to yourself

All over the world you have different sports fans that get very passionate about their sport/team. There are games that end up in violence and sometimes people die over these sporting events. Different parts of the world follow different types of sports, some more violent than others. Some of these sports have led to millions of deaths over the years and some are still taking lives in the name of their sport.
Over many years more and more people start to loose interest and don't play or support these sports anymore. Then one day in the future people aren't playing any sports anymore. There is no more violence or death connected to sports because there are no more sports. Not because everyone is now playing the same game, but because no one is playing any of them...

don't worry, I won't hold my breath that you will understand.

And again after another fucking slaughter by me you come back with this shit..Your analogies suck your debating sucks
Your credibility stinks....rather than admit your defeat you either leave a thread with your tail between your legs or you make yourself appear a bigger fool as you are doing now.

Why should anyone take your posts seriously?....At least make a legitimate argument or what appears to be as one.

According to you a man can go around sucking dick and not be gay {in the gay thread}....your fucking logic is beyond laughable.

Even a third grader would know the difference....Thing is tim we are not third graders here..You may want to go find a kiddie forum to hang out in or finally make the move to becoming a man.

 

[Tim]

:24: You are way to predictable.

 

[MsPoppy]

OMG aren't we in a fowl mood today:eek

 

[Stone]

Stone you are too thin skinned about your Christianity and if it's not your Christianity, then you spend a lot of time with your feathers ruffled when critiques are directed at it.

A moldy old book = a book written 1500-2000 years ago containing 1500-2000 year old notions. It is old and the premises it contains seem to be moldy with age. I'm sorry if it is a harsh description, but it seems appropriate. Regarding Mormonism and golden tablets, that is my observation.

And I, as anyone have the right, the duty to question the words in the Holy Bible if they don't make sense; if they don't add up; if they don't seem to have a foundation based on anything that is real. I'm sorry you view it as denigration, that's your problem. You've given up trying to explain, but instead amuse yourself resorting to sarcasm to make excuses for something that appears to lie in the realm of fantasy. I'm open minded. I don't say these things because I enjoy picking on Christianity. I realize it's faith, hence it can't be proven. The stories just don't resonate with me and it's especially tiring when devote people push the Holy Bible as truth, want to push what they insist are God's rules on the rest of us, incorporating those beliefs into law if they could.

You spend a lot of time trying to denigrate my statements regarding the Earth Simulator. Sadly, you don't appear bright enough to realize the premise is based on Christian theology. And you keep disingenuously insisting this is my belief. It's not my belief, I'm Agnostic, but I admit the notion is appealing. Keep pushing it because it illustrates the insincerity of your arguments.

And I have explained it. It's not any different than what Christianity believes, but it is my perspective. And just for your benefit, I'll explain it again. Many religions believe that at our core, we are spirits who have come to Earth to inhabit a physical body. And in the end the body dies and the spirit moves on/back to a different plane/place/dimension. In essence it is the soul and the place that the soul came from and returned to that is the reality. Although it can be argued that Earth and our lives is a real experience, a human life span equates to a moment, when viewed in terms of the the enduring soul. The point is and has been, what is the reality? The differentiation might be nuanced, but with this reference, events on Earth could be viewed as a simulation. In terms you might relate to, we killed Jesus, he suffered, but now he lives in heaven. A head on collision kills all the children of a couple, but in the end, (about a nano-second when viewed in terms of infinity), they will all be in heaven living together in paradise. So based on this "theory" or "fantasy", how would you describe our lives on Earth. What is the enduring reality?

Btw, I'm not expecting any kind of a thoughtful reply from you, but maybe you'll surprise me.

Stone you are too thin skinned about your Christianity and if it's not your Christianity, then you spend a lot of time with your feathers ruffled when critiques are directed at it.

Let's correct some more of your bullshit.
You are the member attacking Christianity and then claiming it's not your right to criticize others religious opinions.
My comments are to your hypocrisy......your incredible hypocrisy!

A moldy old book = a book written 1500-2000 years ago containing 1500-2000 year old notions.

No one is arguing you have to believe what is written in the Christian Bible.
The point is, you show disrespect while talking out the other side of your mouth.
John is far more critical of Christianity than you and we get along.......because he isn't focusing disrespect at me for what I chose to believe.

Do you understand.....if you throw crap, it's likely to be heaved right back.......and that's why in your weak moments, you couldn't save face, so you put me on ignore.
Looks like that didn't work well for you and here you are again, trying to spin the imagery you left behind.

Stone you are too thin skinned....

Perhaps you forgot who recently bowed out and is back for more acting like the past never happened

And I, as anyone have the right, the duty to question the words in the Holy Bible if they don't make sense;

Yes you do, but I don't have to take your insults silently.

You've given up trying to explain

You never asked me to explain the Holy Bible and I'll be upfront as I have been in the past.......I'm not a theologian and there is much I don't understand.
I told you if you have question, seek answers from a theologian or religious leader.
But you'd rather insult believers and their beliefs........and then deny the insult.

I realize it's faith, hence it can't be proven.

Indeed.

The stories just don't resonate with me and it's especially tiring when devote people push the Holy Bible as truth, want to push what they insist are God's rules on the rest of us, incorporating those beliefs into law if they could.

Perhaps you missed this earlier........I'm not concerned with why you don't accept Christian faith.
I'm not looking to make you a convert.

You spend a lot of time trying to denigrate my statements regarding the Earth Simulator.

Fuck'in A
You initiated an attack on those that derive faith from ancient writings ......while you pulled your religious beliefs out of your butt.....and present the hypocritical position that Holy Scripture is irrational and your ass obviously a sacred oracle. ...( well, your imaginations at least )..Does that help explain the contempt I have for you?

you don't appear bright enough to realize the premise is based on Christian theology.

You weren't bright enough to include a supreme being in your scenario LOL!

........cripes ........

the premise is based on Christian theology......I'm Agnostic

Do you bother to proof read your posts?
This is a GIA level logical fallacy.

I'll explain it again. Many religions believe that at our core, we are spirits who have come to Earth to inhabit a physical body.

Think real hard but don't hurt yourself.......if spirits exist, they would have been created.
But you are a self proclaimed agnostic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic

Agnosticism is the view that the truth values of certain claims—especially claims about the existence or non-existence of any deity, but also other religious and metaphysical claims—are unknown and (so far as can be judged) unknowable.

Conceptually, if you present a spirit world full of spirits, you are at the same time acknowledging the existence of a creator..........but as an agnostic, claim existence of this creator is unknown/unknowable.
A contradiction
Further, if you claim the spirit world exists with out there being a creator......then you'd be an atheist.

You fling bullshit.

And, yeah.....I do like to stick it to you on this issue

The point is and has been, what is the reality?
The differentiation might be nuanced, but with this reference, events on Earth could be viewed as a simulation.

And to think I used to laugh my ass off at creation science........

In terms you might relate to, we killed Jesus

I wasn't involved, really....nor was anyone alive today.
Why would you say something like that?......and please don't quote GIA

A head on collision kills all the children of a couple, but in the end, (about a nano-second when viewed in terms of infinity), they will all be in heaven living together in paradise. So based on this "theory" or "fantasy", how would you describe our lives on Earth.

I'm against legalizing drug abuse......seriously.
You made a leap from accusing me of killing Christ to children dying and going to Heaven with the result being reality is a simulation.
And you laugh at Scripture.
I suggest you come up with a better explanation.....much better :cool

Btw, I'm not expecting any kind of a thoughtful reply from you, but maybe you'll surprise me.

It's tough to take a bullshitter seriously.

 

[Stone]

Your post is a classic example of why I don't even try to educate you. You prove time and time again that you don't even possess the mental capacity of abstract thought.

Let me see if I can put this in a simple form for you.

Let's replace religion with sports.

All over the world you have different sports fans that get very passionate about their sport/team. There are games that end up in violence and sometimes people die over these sporting events. Different parts of the world follow different types of sports, some more violent than others. Some of these sports have led to millions of deaths over the years and some are still taking lives in the name of their sport.
Over many years more and more people start to loose interest and don't play or support these sports anymore. Then one day in the future people aren't playing any sports anymore. There is no more violence or death connected to sports because there are no more sports. Not because everyone is now playing the same game, but because no one is playing any of them...

don't worry, I won't hold my breath that you will understand...

Then one day in the future people aren't playing any sports anymore.

There is no element of credibility to that analogy.
It begins as a fallacy of comparison ( apples and oranges) and ends with an unlikely scenario being the proof statement.

 

[Tim]

There is no element of credibility to that analogy.
It begins as a fallacy of comparison ( apples and oranges) and ends with an unlikely scenario being the proof statement.

I'm trying to brake it down to a 6th grade level so TM can begin to understand.

and the analogy fits perfectly.

 

[Stone]

And it pertains because some people treat their sports as religions.

And some people don't.......meaning it's a poor comparison.