The Fingerprint of God

How funny.

How is this supposed to prove God how exactly?

All this shows is that the universe behaves according a pre-set series of mathematical rules. Mathematics is the only universal truth we know of.

It's one hell of a leap to suggest it's God's doing.

Interesting question at the end tho. We simply do not know if there is a God or not, so we have no idea who he may be.
 
edgray said:
How funny.

How is this supposed to prove God how exactly?

All this shows is that the universe behaves according a pre-set series of mathematical rules. Mathematics is the only universal truth we know of.

It's one hell of a leap to suggest it's God's doing.

Interesting question at the end tho. We simply do not know if there is a God or not, so we have no idea who he may be.
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but this and everything manifest in this universe does surely show that there is definitely SOMEONE who is
running the show!
 
mazHur said:
but this and everything manifest in this universe does surely show that there is definitely SOMEONE who is
running the show!
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Well not really. I mean, we don't know either way. We know that the same laws in the video break down at the big bang. And we now know what caused the big bang, and they know what was there before. None of this shows a God.

It does, however, show the potential for a creator. Scientists are looking into ways of creating a new universe in a laboratory. If they succeed, it shows that it is possible there is a creator, but not in anyway suggested by religion...
 
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Okay, let's try a few analogies...

SOMEONE created the first Pencil, right?? Do you think Science can ascertain his identity?? No. If something went wrong with the pencil due to any reason whatever would you blame its CREATOR (or inventor, whatever) No!

Same way SOMEONE invented the wheel and you can see it all around, moving, stopped, small, big, thick, thin, and in many kinds of shapes and designs. Who that SOMEONE was is not known to Science, does it??
Similarly, the wide diversification of life and Nature prove that SOMEONE actually created it, and when the laws dictated by him are not followed something goes wrong and you can't blame him for that. It's the same as YOU driving a car without fitness or driving it recklessly or something mechanical or material going wrong during the usage of the car that leads to an accident. Would you then blame its 'CREATOR'...No!
 
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That's a funny argument. You can't compare something tangible to a higher being.

Religion just comes down to wanting to believe in something powerful, scary, and mighty that helps make excuses or sense for unanswered things. I don't really give a shit if it can be proved or not if there is a God.

I haven't found a religion that speaks to me or makes sense to believe in and follow blindly, so until then... I will follow my own will and sense of right and wrong.

I don't need an answer for everything, sometimes there isn't one.
 
mazHur said:
Okay, let's try a few analogies...

SOMEONE created the first Pencil, right?? Do you think Science can ascertain his identity?? No. If something went wrong with the pencil due to any reason whatever would you blame its CREATOR (or inventor, whatever) No!

Same way SOMEONE invented the wheel and you can see it all around, moving, stopped, small, big, thick, thin, and in many kinds of shapes and designs. Who that SOMEONE was is not known to Science, does it??
Similarly, the wide diversification of life and Nature prove that SOMEONE actually created it, and when the laws dictated by him are not followed something goes wrong and you can't blame him for that. It's the same as YOU driving a car without fitness or driving it recklessly or something mechanical or material going wrong during the usage of the car that leads to an accident. Would you then blame its 'CREATOR'...No!
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Those analogies aren't valid I'm afraid. Science is aware that manmade items have a creator. It's scientific knowledge that allows those creators to create.

It's not implied that there is a creator in anyway. Obviously man-made items have a designer. We know that things happen a certain way because of the laws of the universe. That in no way implies the existence of a creator of any kind I'm afraid.

In fact, those laws weight the argument in the other direction.

Take this, for example. If there is indeed a creator, he's pretty bad at what he does. Much of his creations are severely flawed. Take humans, for example. If someone designed us, they designed us really, really badly. With some serious errors. We have too many teeth for our mouth, for example. That is such a basic design oversight that a human could actually do better. It takes human intervention to correct the mistakes of the creator.

So if you think there's a creator implied anywhere, you have to accept the fact that he plain sucks at what he does. Humans can do a better job.

There is a possibility, of course, that there was a creator that set up the framework of the universe. But that would be all he created. He wouldn't have designed anything that happened within that framework, just the framework itself.
 
Thornless said:
That's a funny argument. You can't compare something tangible to a higher being.

Religion just comes down to wanting to believe in something powerful, scary, and mighty that helps make excuses or sense for unanswered things. I don't really give a shit if it can be proved or not if there is a God.

I haven't found a religion that speaks to me or makes sense to believe in and follow blindly, so until then... I will follow my own will and sense of right and wrong.

I don't need an answer for everything, sometimes there isn't one.
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:thumbup

the answer for everything is here, btw: http://offtopicz.net/showthread.php?t=69237
 
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