The Democrat Convention 2012

[Minor Axis]

Wow, what a difference in presentation over last week.

I was listening to MSNBC this morning and the most important issue I heard was acknowledgement that our debt is too high. Everyone agrees. I could blame Bush as the most fiscally irresponsible President in my lifetime or I could blame Obama for adding lots more debt and not turning it around. I could also blame Republicans for doing everything in their power to make Obama ineffective.

Based on all the water under the bridge, in my determination, the most important factor to keep in mind is how do we want to fix this? IMO the Dems propose a balanced approach, while the Republicans want to raise taxes* on the Middle Class while cutting taxes for the 1%. The tax cuts proposed for the 1% represents 4 trillion added to the deficit. The GOP is also firmly set on not cutting the military and keeping the subsidies (corporate welfare) flowing to things like agriculture and energy. I'm sorry, but I don't think this (the GOP) approach is justifiable.

*Think Progress

TAX INCREASES REPUBLICANS WANT:
* Limiting eligibility for the child tax credit, which constitutes a tax increase on 12 MILLION families. This works out to an average tax increase of $800 per family. In the case of a family made up of one person earning minimum wage and two children, the tax increase would be much larger according to one estimate: $1545.
* Curtailing tax credits for higher education expenses from $2500 a year to $1800 and reducing the years of eligibility from four years to two. This translates into an average tax increase of $1100 for 11 MILLION families.
* Cutting back on the earned income tax credit for families with three or more children and worsening the so-called “marriage penalty” on working poor couples, which translates into an average tax increase of $500 for 6 MILLION families.

 

[Alien Allen]

* Limiting eligibility for the child tax credit, which constitutes a tax increase on 12 MILLION families. This works out to an average tax increase of $800 per family. In the case of a family made up of one person earning minimum wage and two children, the tax increase would be much larger according to one estimate: $1545.

I would love to see how this was arrived at. Details please

 

[Jersey]

I NEVER come into this section, but I have just one thing to say...eh hem......

Michelle Obama is a fantastic speaker. Period. That is all

 

[itsmeJonB]

She truly is, her speech really moved me and reinstilled that hope I once had in Obama.

 

[Jersey]

Ok, I'm back for one more. I'm truly excited for Bill Clinton's speech tonight too

 

[MoonOwl]

Did I miss intelligent speaking? I may have to find transcripts......

 

[robdawg1]

I can't wait for Clintons speech tonight....He is amazing to watch on TV, but I'll never forget watching him speak live at a campaign stop in Macon GA

 

[Accountable]

Gotta tell ya. It takes some kinda balls to parade out someone that is actively defying federal law to endorse the guy that's supposed to be enforcing it.


And to bring out the GM guy to praise Obama for bailing them out without mentioning the 10K layoffs, then follow immediately with some Bain people that were part of the hundreds Romney laid off.


Balls man. Balls.

 

[robdawg1]

who is actively defying federal laws?

 

[itsmeJonB]

The actor from the Harold and Kumar movies?
Implication isn't proof.

 

[Minor Axis]

I can't wait for Clintons speech tonight....He is amazing to watch on TV, but I'll never forget watching him speak live at a campaign stop in Macon GA

Clinton is amazing. A slam dunk tonight... Clinton single-handedly makes you want to be a Democrat...erv

I was fantasizing that Hillery blows off her denials of lusting after the Presidency and runs for Pres in 2016. Holy shit, lol!

 

[robdawg1]

Clinton is amazing. A slam dunk tonight... Clinton single-handedly makes you want to be a Democrat...erv

I was fantasizing that Hillery blows off her denials of lusting after the Presidency and runs for Pres in 2016. Holy shit, lol!

In 2008 I was a big Obama supporter through the Dems Primary. I went to See Clinton stump for Hillary and almost forgot who I was voting for! LOL. That Man is an amazing speaker, and from personal experience he is VERY knowledgable about what he speaks about! I would vote for him for a 3rd term if it were constitutional!!

 

[Accountable]

who is actively defying federal laws?

Benita Veliz - a proud and productive product of San Antonio public schools.

 

[MoonOwl]

Bill can indeed still deliver a good speech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzDhk3BHi6Q

 

[Tim]

Benita Veliz - a proud and productive product of San Antonio public schools.

careful, your intolerance is showing

 

[robdawg1]

Benita Veliz - a proud and productive product of San Antonio public schools.

Good for her. She had no choice of coming here, as she came with her parents at such a young age, and it looks like she accomplished the american dream of a better life than she could have had in Mexico! Good for Obama for doing the right thing!!

 

[Accountable]

careful, your intolerance is showing

Good for her. She had no choice of coming here, as she came with her parents at such a young age, and it looks like she accomplished the american dream of a better life than she could have had in Mexico! Good for Obama for doing the right thing!!

My intolerance is for those who would destroy the very foundations upon which this nation was built, that ours is government of laws, not of men. When the President of the United States shows such contempt for the Rule of Law, and is met with applause rather than handcuffs, the the country is in far more danger than mere economic collapse.

This is the second such President in a row the Republocrats have produced. President Bush should have been impeached for signing the "Patriot" Act *spits*, especially since he acknowledged before signing that he believed it to be unconstitutional. When are you partisans going to acknowledge what is right in front of your eyes?

 

[Tim]

My intolerance is for those who would destroy the very foundations upon which this nation was built, that ours is government of laws, not of men. When the President of the United States shows such contempt for the Rule of Law, and is met with applause rather than handcuffs, the the country is in far more danger than mere economic collapse.

This is the second such President in a row the Republocrats have produced. President Bush should have been impeached for signing the "Patriot" Act *spits*, especially since he acknowledged before signing that he believed it to be unconstitutional. When are you partisans going to acknowledge what is right in front of your eyes?

You do realize that the border was open between the US and Mexico until the mid 60's right? And up until that point millions of Mexican's would come to the states for seasonal work and return when done. It wasn't until the change in the 60's that they started staying here for fear that they wouldn't be able to return.

You make it sound like our fore fathers closed the boarders

 

[Accountable]

You do realize that the border was open between the US and Mexico until the mid 60's right? And up until that point millions of Mexican's would come to the states for seasonal work and return when done. It wasn't until the change in the 60's that they started staying here for fear that they wouldn't be able to return.

You make it sound like our fore fathers closed the boarders

That's just the way you choose to read it. I wish I could scrub the partisan filters from your eyes. I never indicated one way or the other whether I agree with the limits on immigration. It's not relevant. I never made any claim of the rightness or wrongness of the current law. That is also not relevant.

What is relevant is that

1. a constitutional federal law is in place.
2. The President of the United States is required by the Constitution to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed".
3. The President of the United States publicly and proudly refuses to carry out his sworn duty.

 

[robdawg1]

My intolerance is for those who would destroy the very foundations upon which this nation was built, that ours is government of laws, not of men. When the President of the United States shows such contempt for the Rule of Law, and is met with applause rather than handcuffs, the the country is in far more danger than mere economic collapse.

Our country was founded as a melting pot for immigrants!! He is returning the American promise back to her people. he is once again telling the world to send us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses. How is what he has done illegal? he issued an executive order which stands as a legal document!