Strange. Does God wants us to rebel and sin?

[Greatest I am]

Is that all you are going to say?

He is being kind. You should be thankfull but your judgment on that is as faulty as your others.

People like you who look for it usually get worse. His heart is kinder than mine with those of your ilk.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

This topic is filled with pathetic comments and they seem to all be coming from you. Can you not debate or even wait for the other person to respond without jumping to name calling or degrading someone?

You are right. There are pathetic posts here. Mostly from your side.

Your side made a request for an answer.

My side did not know the question and asked for it politely and indicated an answer would be given upon receipt.

The reply from your side did not pose the question.

Look at that reply and see what the topic to the yet unknown question was.

You will note, that like me, you cannot say what your side is talking about.

Both of you are losers when it comes to communication. Pity.

Children playing with adults. Tsk tsk.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

God doesn't want us to rebel or sin, but he expects that it will happen. That is why he is so forgiving if people just have faith.

Sure forgiving.
Eternal hell and torture is very forgiving.

Please do not ever forgive your children in such a way.
It is monstrous.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

If I sin, I sin. Fuck what everyone else thinks.

Dropping litter = sin. Done that.

Killing an insect = sin. Done that.

Shagging a married woman = sin. Done that.

Jacking off over porn = sin. Done that.

Laughing at midgets = sin. Done that.

I don't care whether God wants us to do it or not, I don't actually believe in God, couldn't give a fuck if any of you do before you get on your high horse.

If you do not care if people believe the wrong things then you are not much of a good man.

If we all were like you, this would continue forever.
Continue not to care.

African witches and Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI&feature=related

Jesus Camp 1of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOqGhcwwE1s

:yuk


Regards
DL

 

[Springsteen]

If you do not care if people believe the wrong things then you are not much of a good man.

Yeah, because I really care what a religious internet troll thinks of me

Oh dear, he doesn't like my beliefs, how will I sleep tonight? In fact I was planning on going out tomorrow, can't do that now, I'm worrying a lot here.

Go fuck yourself.

 

[Minor Axis]

The main focus of my thread is to show theists that they are reading the fall incorrectly and should return to the original reading of the creation myth the way the Hebrew and Jews did.
As man's elevation and not our fall.

I had no idea the Jews looked at the story of Adam and Eve as our elevation. Now that is interesting.

If you look at science and evolution, humans developed to such a point that they were able to apply their brains to accelerated development. They gained the tree of knowledge so to speak. Unfortunately this reduces the ancient scripts to a giant assumption that it was God who focused on the human race and said I am going to create you specifically. We were the center of God's attention instead of the possibility that whatever force created the universe, maybe intelligent, maybe not, maybe beyond understanding, just fostered a situation where life and intelligent life could develop, a glorified throw of the dice. The problem I have with these scripts is when humans attribute characteristics to the force that created the universe and turned it into our doting but absentee father. Yes we could have a link to something divine (as in not understood), but that is about all. The rest is speculation.

 

[Greatest I am]

I had no idea the Jews looked at the story of Adam and Eve as our elevation. Now that is interesting.

If you look at science and evolution, humans developed to such a point that they were able to apply their brains to accelerated development. They gained the tree of knowledge so to speak. Unfortunately this reduces the ancient scripts to a giant assumption that it was God who focused on the human race and said I am going to create you specifically. We were the center of God's attention instead of the possibility that whatever force created the universe, maybe intelligent, maybe not, maybe beyond understanding, just fostered a situation where life and intelligent life could develop, a glorified throw of the dice. The problem I have with these scripts is when humans attribute characteristics to the force that created the universe and turned it into our doting but absentee father. Yes we could have a link to something divine (as in not understood), but that is about all. The rest is speculation.

Thanks for this.
Nice to see that all here are not as immature as the children you see above.

Regards
DL

 

[Tuffdisc]

I suspect foolishness.
Go play elsewhere child.

Regards
DL

What? You suspect foolishness? You calling me a child? What evidence do you have that I am a child, you can't even answer a question I gave you, the reason being you know you are stuck in a dilemma i.e. you can't answer it, because whatever way you answer it, would make you look hypocritical or a pedo

 

[Peter Parka]

I like GAI, he may disagree with the odd person I like but fuck it, he says it how he sees it and dont give a fuck!:24:

 

[AnitaBeer]

Sure forgiving.
Eternal hell and torture is very forgiving.

Please do not ever forgive your children in such a way.
It is monstrous.

Regards
DL

Ya that's mature. You really don't know a lot about the bible do you? No I don't want you to hurry and google a bunch of verses from the bible. He doesn't send people to hell that believe and ask for forgiveness for their sins. People who end up in hell deserve to be there.

 

[Peter Parka]

Ya that's mature. You really don't know a lot about the bible do you? No I don't want you to hurry and google a bunch of verses from the bible. He doesn't send people to hell that believe and ask for forgiveness for their sins. People who end up in hell deserve to be there.

I dont believe in him. Sure I have my blunt, sometimes offensive ways but does what I do really deserve me burning forever?

 

[mazHur]

Both Hell and Heaven are within you- why blame God?

 

[Tuffdisc]

:/ It is not the Pope that wanted to be in there, it is his security that want him to be in there. Man can only destroy the physical side of man, not the soul

 

[Greatest I am]

Ya that's mature. You really don't know a lot about the bible do you? No I don't want you to hurry and google a bunch of verses from the bible. He doesn't send people to hell that believe and ask for forgiveness for their sins. People who end up in hell deserve to be there.

Really?
Hell must be a mral construck then or god would not have created it. Right?

Judgment and punishment go hand in hand.
Our human laws have a form of punishment where the penalty is graduated to fit the crime. An eye for an eye type of justice.
God‘s punishment seems to surpass this standard.

The definition I am comparing here is the eternal fire and torture type of hell and I am not particularly interested in the myriad of other definitions and theories that some use to supplant this traditional view.

To ascertain if hell would be a moral construct or not, all you need do is answer these
simple question for yourself.

1. Is it good justice for a soul to be able to sin for only 120 years and then have to suffer torture for 12000000000000000000000000 + years?

2. Is it good justice for small or mediocre sinners to have to bear the same sentence as Hitler, Stalin and other genocidal maniacs?

This might actually include God if you see Noah’s flood as God using genocide and not justice against man. Pardon the digression.

Punishment is usually only given to change attitude or actions and cause the sinner to repent.

3. Is it good justice to continue to torture a soul in hell if no change in attitude or actions are to result?

4. If you answered yes to these questions, then would killing the soul not be a better form of justice than to torture it for no possible good result or purpose?

Is hell moral construct or not?

Please explain your reasons and know that ---just because God created it ---does not explain your moral judgment. It is your view I seek and not God’s as no one can speak for God.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Both Hell and Heaven are within you- why blame God?

How Gnostic of you.

Good. It shows you are brighter than all literalists and fundamentals.

http://www.gnosis.org/genesis.html

If you can understand Eden then you can understand all.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

:/ It is not the Pope that wanted to be in there, it is his security that want him to be in there. Man can only destroy the physical side of man, not the soul

True.
Much better to keep it alive so that it can be tortured and burned forever and be the entertainment of those in heaven.

They find it on channel 666 of their T Vs when they are allowed to take their heads out of god's ass.
Heaven is :yuk

Regards
DL

 

[Minor Axis]

People who end up in hell deserve to be there.

Is believing in Jesus part of the requirement for hell avoidance?

What if we got it all wrong about Hell as in does it exist? And do you only get one life time to prove yourself? If we all end up as spirits in the vicinity of God, might that alter the perception of the severity of the crime committed during a life and the punishment?