so as not to gum up the member pic thread

[groundpounder]

I love this shit

Main Entry: obstinate
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: Tenaciously unwilling to yield.
Synonyms: bullheaded, dogged, hardheaded, headstrong, mulish, pertinacious, perverse, pigheaded, stiff-necked, tenacious, willful


By your own admission, you consider yourself firmly right until someone can prove a different truth to you and you say that it is hard to prove things to you.
The irony in that is that when you so tenaciously adhere to your own POV and/or version of the truth, you limit your opportunities to see it another way. You are extremely adept at that.

That's all I was saying....

Oh pleeeaaaseee everyone on this board does this. You seem to think that if I don't accept every view that is explained to me that I'm somehow close minded, which is silly. I won't accept views until I either A) review them and see them to be true myself or B) are proven to be true. I don't see that as close minded at all. I call that active reasoning and learning. People can cry all they want if I don't accept their POV, because you know what? Some POV's are objectively stupid.

I just don't see how I'm limiting myself. From what? You don't accept socialism, I guess you're limiting yourself because you don't right? Wrong.

active reasoning and learning! That's rich! gold star for you!

I don't mean that you need to accept EVERY POV presented. That's crazy to suggest that I think you need to start doing that.

On your A and B points, I think that's a great plan. I just don't see you doing it at all in discussion. Rarely, if at all. I cannot recall seeing your mind changed on anything. I may be wrong about that. But the proof is in that pudding. Your POVs rarely change because your version of the truth on something dictates that you keep your POV held tight, and that leaves little room for interpretation.

Of course the vast majority of people on the board argue their viewpoints and convictions come debate time. I'm just saying you're more argumentative than everyone else and least likely to see another POV because you think you're unilaterally right, so you tend to tag other POV's as objectively stupid (your words, not mine). I agree with that assessment because there seems to be quite a few of unintelligent and uninformed posters on this board. But that assessment doesn't limit me from realizing that even idiots make a good point from time-to-time.

From a macro standpoint, you're limiting yourself from seeing things that are bigger than you, ideas and ideals that you haven't even considered.

BTW, I think socialism is one of the greatest ideas on paper of all time. Utopic, actually. Human greed ruins it, however, so it's completely bunk...

 

[boxer810]

I SO wish I could rep you right now.

 

[boxer810]

There, repped.

 

[groundpounder]

ooooh, I'm feelin it.....

 

[boxer810]

Feel it baby :ninja

 

[groundpounder]

now we need to get AEF to accept my cordial invitation.

maybe he's skeerd (LOL! NOT)

 

[boxer810]

I'm waiting to see this debate. Quite excited about it in fact.

 

[groundpounder]

I'm just trying to help him see that he's argumentative and close-minded.

He'll probably tell me how wrong I am and blow me off

 

[Cotton]

I love this shitactive reasoning and learning! That's rich! gold star for you!

I don't mean that you need to accept EVERY POV presented. That's crazy to suggest that I think you need to start doing that.

On your A and B points, I think that's a great plan. I just don't see you doing it at all in discussion. Rarely, if at all. I cannot recall seeing your mind changed on anything. I may be wrong about that. But the proof is in that pudding. Your POVs rarely change because your version of the truth on something dictates that you keep your POV held tight, and that leaves little room for interpretation.

Of course the vast majority of people on the board argue their viewpoints and convictions come debate time. I'm just saying you're more argumentative than everyone else and least likely to see another POV because you think you're unilaterally right, so you tend to tag other POV's as objectively stupid (your words, not mine). I agree with that assessment because there seems to be quite a few of unintelligent and uninformed posters on this board. But that assessment doesn't limit me from realizing that even idiots make a good point from time-to-time.

From a macro standpoint, you're limiting yourself from seeing things that are bigger than you, ideas and ideals that you haven't even considered.

BTW, I think socialism is one of the greatest ideas on paper of all time. Utopic, actually. Human greed ruins it, however, so it's completely bunk...

+ rep x's infinity!

 

[Cotton]

Damn stupid spread rep around crap.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

just rep me and then try again cotton

 

[Cotton]

lol meh still didn't work.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

Is ok I got rep'd

 

[All Else Failed]

I love this shitactive reasoning and learning! That's rich! gold star for you!

I don't mean that you need to accept EVERY POV presented. That's crazy to suggest that I think you need to start doing that.

On your A and B points, I think that's a great plan. I just don't see you doing it at all in discussion. Rarely, if at all. I cannot recall seeing your mind changed on anything. I may be wrong about that. But the proof is in that pudding. Your POVs rarely change because your version of the truth on something dictates that you keep your POV held tight, and that leaves little room for interpretation.

Of course the vast majority of people on the board argue their viewpoints and convictions come debate time. I'm just saying you're more argumentative than everyone else and least likely to see another POV because you think you're unilaterally right, so you tend to tag other POV's as objectively stupid (your words, not mine). I agree with that assessment because there seems to be quite a few of unintelligent and uninformed posters on this board. But that assessment doesn't limit me from realizing that even idiots make a good point from time-to-time.

From a macro standpoint, you're limiting yourself from seeing things that are bigger than you, ideas and ideals that you haven't even considered.

BTW, I think socialism is one of the greatest ideas on paper of all time. Utopic, actually. Human greed ruins it, however, so it's completely bunk...

Its because most of you present ideas (creationism for example or god) which I have already considered, researched and found to be unworthy of my time. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.


Everyone thinks their POV is right, and they will defend it. Whether they change their minds when faced with facts and the truth is up to them, if they are smart, they will change if FACTS are reputable. Its just that I haven't received any facts that contradict what I believe to be true. Call that close minded if you will.


Some views are objectively stupid. Creationism, for example, is stupid.



"From a macro standpoint, you're limiting yourself from seeing things that are bigger than you, ideas and ideals that you haven't even considered."

Can you give me a specific example of me doing this? Can you provide me something that I should accept that will stop making me "limit" myself? Ideas, theories etc etc...




Socialism isn't bunk, its practiced by democracies all over the world. (but lets not turn this into a socialism debate).

 

[boxer810]

You have got to be one of the most pompous people I have ever run across AEF. You think that because you have thought about something, and disagree with it, that it is no longer worthy of consideration?

 

[Cotton]

Its because most of you present ideas (creationism for example or god) which I have already considered, researched and found to be unworthy of my time. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.


Everyone thinks their POV is right, and they will defend it. Whether they change their minds when faced with facts and the truth is up to them, if they are smart, they will change if FACTS are reputable. Its just that I haven't received any facts that contradict what I believe to be true. Call that close minded if you will.


Some views are objectively stupid. Creationism, for example, is stupid.



"From a macro standpoint, you're limiting yourself from seeing things that are bigger than you, ideas and ideals that you haven't even considered."

Can you give me a specific example of me doing this? Can you provide me something that I should accept that will stop making me "limit" myself? Ideas, theories etc etc...




Socialism isn't bunk, its practiced by democracies all over the world. (but lets not turn this into a socialism debate).

Do you ever shut the fuck up?

Once again who the fuck are you to call someone elses views stupid?

 

[Cotton]

It's like you douche bag atheists get off on trying to destroy someone else's faith.

 

[boxer810]

Objectively stupid? So someone who doesn't agree with your views is stupid then?

 

[Cotton]

Objectively stupid? So someone who doesn't agree with your views is stupid then?

It's his internet superiority complex.

 

[groundpounder]

now now. This is a civil and intelligent debate. No need to get nasty.

Problem is, I'm actually at work (trying to catch up on paperwork) and will be needing to leave shortly. I will, however, not leave this unattended...