Shootout in Big Bear w/ Christopher Dorner

[Joe the meek]

I don't think I can ever understand why someone chooses to take innocent lives...

He expalined why he went after the daughter. The others wore a badge.

I give it a good chance the daughter had no clue, but I give it a better chance that her father someone along the lines sold him (Dorner) out.

Don't take my comments as condoning what Dorner did, just that I can see why.

Now, if this were some rookie or some other half baked potato that had some other petty grudge, I would think they went off the deep end. Given Dorner's past history and what he had accomplished, I can't help but think there is more to this story that could unravel if people dig.

 

[Natasha]

He expalined why he went after the daughter. The others wore a badge.

I give it a good chance the daughter had no clue, but I give it a better chance that her father someone along the lines sold him (Dorner) out.

Don't take my comments as condoning what Dorner did, just that I can see why.

Oh I would venture to say that a good 90%, if not 100%, of what he said about the situation in his manifesto is true. Absolutely does not excuse his actions, but the first 2/3 of his manifesto does NOT sound like the ramblings of a mad man. He sounds calm, decisive, and matter-of-fact. It isn't until the end that he begins rambling and addressing random celebrities and famous figures (although I have to admit I laughed when he told the President of the NRA that he was a vile piece of shit, LOL). I think he saw it as the LAPD took everything from him, so he took from them. Logical??? Not really. Even HE says that we'll mourn those officers for a while and then fill their position and move on. I think the LAPD is extremely lucky that things ended the way they did. Had he made it out of that cabin I have no doubt that at least another 1/2 dozen officers would've lost their lives.

 

[Natasha]

For anybody interested that hasn't read it, this is the uncensored full version (I haven't researched to see if there's any explanation for why it cuts off mid-paragraph).

http://www.scribd.com/doc/124401603/Dorner-Manifesto-FULL-TEXT

Be forewarned, it's VERY long...seriously, it's 23 printed single-spaced pages. BUT it's also very interesting.

 

[pjbleek]

question still remains: what set him off? (was it the LAPD? was he, himself?) questions we'll probably never know the answers to...

 

[Natasha]

question still remains: what set him off? (was it the LAPD? was he, himself?) questions we'll probably never know the answers to...

Best theory so far is that his appeal being denied is what sent him over the edge. He says that he's battled "severe depression" ever since his termination from the department. Even asks that his brain be donated to science so they can study the effects of severe depression on the brain and gives them dates and locations of 2 previous MRIs he had before his depression.

 

[pjbleek]

Best theory so far is that his appeal being denied is what sent him over the edge. He says that he's battled "severe depression" ever since his termination from the department. Even asks that his brain be donated to science so they can study the effects of severe depression on the brain and gives them dates and locations of 2 previous MRIs he had before his depression.

okay, did he exhaust all his alternatives before doing this? (seek a psychiatric evaluation? did the doctor/licensed therapist give up/ do enough for him? meds? ) humans are frail and can change on a dime...its sad

 

[Natasha]

okay, did he exhaust all his alternatives before doing this? (seek a psychiatric evaluation? did the doctor/licensed therapist give up/ do enough for him? meds? ) humans are frail and can change on a dime...its sad

I'm just spitballing here and have absolutely NO factual basis...but I'd be willing to bet that this manifesto is the first anybody outside of his family has heard of him having an issue w/ depression. It sounds like he DID talk to friends about the situation and I'm betting that they would say "oh man, there's Chris calling again...all he ever talks about is the LAPD and how they did him wrong." I have a friend that I used to say almost the same thing about...every single time we talked I'd spend an hour saying "uh huh" and "yeah" while he went through (AGAIN) how the hospital did him wrong when they terminated him. I'm just guessing that he's the kind of guy that would've had a BIG issue w/ admitting to anybody that he actually needed help for problems w/ depression. I'd bet money the answer to your question is no.

 

[AUFred]

I am sure the truth will be thoroughly hidden. I am guessing he was wrongfully terminated but the trail he chose always ends badly.

 

[buffalo hunter]

What bothers me is that his facebook account was deleted after the news broke. This supposedly was it according to the LA times. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/l...book-20130207-pictures,0,2178818.photogallery

This one has showed up recently that seems to be put up by his fans. https://www.facebook.com/ChristopherDornerOfficial

Like others I dont condone what he did IF he in fact did it, but I have very little trust with the media or the LAPD. I have a feeling we will never know the truth.

 

[buffalo hunter]

Here is another manifesto that has been posted by another LAPD officer.

Joe Jones Manifesto: Black Ex-LAPD Cop Says Of Dorner, 'I Understand'

http://christopher-dorner.com/joe-jones-manifesto/

 

[buffalo hunter]

Seems the LAPD missed a piece of evidence before they cleared the scene to outsiders. Looks like 22cal semi auto handguns might be the next to be on the ban list.

CBS2 Gets First Look At Gun Believed To Have Been Used By Dorner (Video)

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2013...ave-been-used-by-dorner/#.UR6H_a7_SmU.twitter

 

[AUFred]

fine police work