Shootout in Big Bear w/ Christopher Dorner

[Natasha]

BREAKING NEWS: Christopher Dorner was engaged in a shootout with federal authorities in the Big Bear area Tuesday, law enforcements sources told The Times. The shooting occurred after Dorner allegedly tried to burglarize a home and steal a car.
His condition was not clear.

The facts coming about now are that there was a home invasion and one of the homeowners was able to get away and alert the police. 2 more officers down as it stands right now, unknown condition on them. Believe there's a vehicle pursuit going on right now.

 

[Jackass master]

2 officers down and a pursuit on foot going on now. One officer airlifted out.

 

[buffalo hunter]

Live video feed at this link. http://www.cbsnews.com/2718-201_162-1950/cbs-news-live-video/?tag=custom

 

[Natasha]

Reports are conflicting b/c CNN is saying they don't know if the officers got out and that there's a vehicle pursuit going on. Someone else is saying he's in a cabin and they have it surrounded. So, yeah, I think I'll just watch the live coverage and disregard the narrating.

 

[darkcgi]

One of my favorite snowboarding places.
That dude is going to freeze to death, and where was he last night if he is there now.

 

[Natasha]

Apparently he held a couple hostage for "several days."

 

[Natasha]

LA Times now reporting 1 of the officers shot today has died.

 

[Joe the meek]

With what their packing, I'm guessing more will be killed.

 

[Natasha]

SWAT entered the cabin he was in and, shortly thereafter, tons of black smoke starting rolling out of the cabin. It's now fully engulfed in flames...no word on whether or not he was brought out of the cabin, is still inside, or if the cabin was empty.

 

[Jackass master]

My feeling is they burned him out. They want it over and don't want an investigation of his real complaints.

 

[Joe the meek]

My feeling is they burned him out. They want it over and don't want an investigation of his real complaints.

I give it a decent chance the will find what sent him over the top was legit.

Also give it a decent chance the guy becomes a martyr of some sort.

 

[teh_fuzz]

hmm... black smoke and red flames... doesnt that mean that there was a FUEL fire? and the amount of smoke coming out of that was a bit much for a simple house fire.

The Police probably went in, shot him and decided to burn the house down to eliminate the possibility of an in-depth investigation.

 

[buffalo hunter]

I just found this video on Liveleak, seems to be 911 dispatch audio of when the fire was started.

Scanner of Police burning the cabin where Chris Dorner is. (Shortened)
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=14a_1360731139

 

[AUFred]

This caused me to flashback to The Branch Davidians. Authorities pump in "Tear gas" and mysteriously the structure goes up in flames.

 

[porterjack]

if marines burn houses in baghgad to root out terrorists it is ok
is it the same when cops do it in colorado?

 

[AUFred]

if marines burn houses in baghgad to root out terrorists it is ok
is it the same when cops do it in colorado?

I believe we are a soveriegn nation of laws. I believe it is definitely wrong to burn people out of their homes in this country. As far as a fire fight in a war zone then different rules apply in my mind.

 

[Jackass master]

This is the oldest tactic you can use to defeat an enemy. Surround them in a structure and burn them out. In Waco they used an M88a1 tank tow truck to deliver the flamable canister through the wall. This 120,000 lb. vehicle was also used to topple the statue of Sadam in Iraq. They used something smaller to do the same thing to the cabin. Tear down one wall and reposition and do the next one till they were done. Then burn the pile so there is nothing to investigate. While I don't condone what he did at all, this is what an out of control government sanctions for use against it's citizens.

 

[AUFred]

This is the oldest tactic you can use to defeat an enemy. Surround them in a structure and burn them out. In Waco they used an M88a1 tank tow truck to deliver the flamable canister through the wall. This 120,000 lb. vehicle was also used to topple the statue of Sadam in Iraq. They used something smaller to do the same thing to the cabin. Tear down one wall and reposition and do the next one till they were done. Then burn the pile so there is nothing to investigate. While I don't condone what he did at all, this is what an out of control government sanctions for use against it's citizens.

I can't help it. Seeing this type behavior makes me nervous as a law abiding citizen who prefers my government leave me alone.

 

[Jackass master]

It is scary. Starting to remind you of China or the old Soviet regimes.

 

[porterjack]

I believe we are a soveriegn nation of laws. I believe it is definitely wrong to burn people out of their homes in this country. As far as a fire fight in a war zone then different rules apply in my mind.

would you not define dorner as a terrorist though