sharia law for britain

[DACS]

It's the honour killings that disgust me the most...

I heard there is a road sign outside Bradford that has been grafittied to say "Brad-istan"?

 

[debbie t]

It's the honour killings that disgust me the most...

I heard there is a road sign outside Bradford that has been grafittied to say "Brad-istan"?

yes.
i live in the midlands and honour killings arent unusual..and thats what we get to find out about..this law will make everything worse ,and you know how it is here ,,,itll happen ,and then all hell will break loose and the bloody BMP(i hate those barstards )will gain even more power.
im ashamed to say im originally from stike and we have a lot of BMP councellors ther already

 

[DACS]

Just be thankful Ann Coulter lives in the US...

 

[debbie t]

Just be thankful Ann Coulter lives in the US...

ive read some her famous quotes ,,shed get on well with nick griffin:nod:

as for invading ,killing and converting them to christianity????well slap her just for that alone..although women hving guns and not voting may be popular:24:

 

[gLing]

Anybody pushing for sharia law should be forcibly removed from the country forever.

 

[debbie t]

The two legals systems don't mesh without contradictions at all. This simply wont work. And I highly doubt it will ever happen.

already happening in britain..

1.sharia courts already decide upon divorce etc here

2.somali elders in woolwich dispense sharia justice for serious assault and stabbings.

3.the welfare system acknowledges bigamy and pays for all wives and children within the household ,even though bigamy is illegal.

4.london is the biggest centre of sharia banking in the west and muslims here do not pay interest on mortgages

5.40%of british muslims want sharia law in britain

6.there are states within states in britain where non muslims are not free to go.

so its already happening to some degree.honour killings happen and are rarely punished .

 

[Peter Parka]

Rowan Williams is a strange one anyway. He's the Archbishop of Canterbury and also a pagan! How the hell does that work???:wtf:

 

[debbie t]

Rowan Williams is a strange one anyway. He's the Archbishop of Canterbury and also a pagan! How the hell does that work???:wtf:

:24::24::24:must be a bit of an old hippy

i respect him for his calls for the end of all the homophoboic nonsense in the church of england ..for which he has received flack from the fundamental loons though

 

[Peter Parka]

:24::24::24:must be a bit of an old hippy

i respect him for his calls for the end of all the homophoboic nonsense in the church of england ..for which he has received flack from the fundamental loons though

Oh I agree with that but it doesn't make much sense to me. The Bible is homophobic so it seems strange to call for getting rid of it when you profess your beliefs on the Bible.

 

[debbie t]

Oh I agree with that but it doesn't make much sense to me. The Bible is homophobic so it seems strange to call for getting rid of it when you profess your beliefs on the Bible.

becuase in 2000 years weve moved on a bit.anglicans are now encouraged to look at in historical terms,and not take it all fundamentally or literally.
its taken many years for the gay rights lobby to reduce the age of consent and give same sex partners equal rights under the law and we have to obey those laws..this is why american christians feel it is acceptable to carry firearms and use them...you cant have your cake and eat it in my book.....above all love your fellow man no matter what his/her sexuality may be.

we should base our beliefs on the big guys teachings not some apostle or jewish law

 

[Peter Parka]

Sharia row persists for Williams
The Archbishop of Canterbury is facing criticism from fellow Anglicans over his comments on Islamic Sharia law. He has provoked condemnation from the Anglican Archbishop in Latin America, who said confidence in Dr Rowan Williams's leadership had plummeted.
Dr Williams's predecessor Lord Carey has also weighed into the row saying the acceptance of some Muslim laws would be "disastrous" for Britain.
Supporters of Dr Williams say reaction to his comments has been "hysterical".
Dr Williams sparked a major row after saying, in a BBC Radio 4 interview last week, that the adoption of parts of the law was "unavoidable" in Britain.
Despite attempts to clarify his comments and support from both within and outside the church, controversy continues to surround Dr Williams.


On Monday, he will face the Anglican Church's national assembly - the General Synod - when it gathers for the body's biannual meeting. There is a chance a motion could be tabled to discuss the issue.
Dr Williams has insisted he was not advocating a parallel set of laws but has faced calls for his resignation.
BBC News religious affairs correspondent Robert Pigott said it was "inconceivable" that Dr Williams would be forced to quit, adding the Archbishop was held in "deep affection and respect" by rank and file Anglicans.
Church 'deeply split'
He said the long-term problems might lie abroad in the Anglican communion.
"The international church is already deeply split over the issue of homosexuality," he said.
"Many Anglicans in Africa and Asia live side-by-side with Muslims and for them Sharia is a sensitive issue.
"Dr Williams's remarks have damaged his personal authority."
The Most Reverend Gregory Venables, Archbishop of Latin America, said his comments were a "surprise".
"Taken within the context of other things that have been said and done in recent months, it will just add to the general sense that confidence in the leadership of the Anglican Church has plummeted," he said.
Confidence in Dr Williams has also been eroded at home, with criticism from the church's former leader Lord Carey.


He flatly contradicted the Archbishop's suggestion that the law should incorporate elements of Sharia.
But writing in the News of the World, Lord Carey said he should not be forced to quit.
Alun Michael, former Home Office minister, accused Dr Carey of being "disloyal" and condemned what he called the "absurd media feeding frenzy".
He told BBC Wales' Politics Show: "If the reportage in the press is hysterical, inaccurate and inflammatory then it's very difficult for those who are asked to comment on it to deal with it properly."
Since making the remarks in a lecture to lawyers and in the BBC interview, Dr Williams has produced both anger and agreement from politicians, religious leaders, the public and people within his own church.
At least two General Synod members have called on him to resign.
Catholic leader Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor is one of the many to come out in defence of Dr Williams.
"I feel he may fear that people with a Christian conscience will be put to the sidelines and not allowed to say what they believe to be true for the common good," he told the BBC.

Story from BBC NEWS:

 

[debbie t]

looks like its open:nod:

 

[DACS]

Something about the application of Sharia Law to non-muslims, from wikipedia and reads like it has been written in a biased way but here we go:

Under Sharia law non-Muslims may be subjected to Sharia Laws however it codifies the treatment of dhimmis in relation to the Muslim state and in cases of over-lapping jurisdiction. Dhimmis are distinctly second-class citizens in that they cannot serve in public office, cannot testify in court and must follow certain rules meant for living on Muslim land and under Muslim protection (such as paying the jizya). The jizya or tax is enforced on those who broke a treaty or attacked Muslim with no right (as a punishment) or required from those who ask for protection without enrolling in the army. The rules include privilege to practice their own religion, except for public demonstration of non-Muslim religious practices and the right to convert Muslims.

The core component of treatment is the jizya, or tax specifically upon non-Muslims. The jizya originates in the Qur'an which says “Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger and those who acknowledge not the religion of the truth among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”[Qur'an 9:29] The "Book" refers to the People of the Book, Jews and Christians, who don't follow their religion righteously, but the jizya was extended to all conquered non-Muslims. The jizya ultimately is less than the Zakah (money given to the poor and needy) and Sadaqah (charity) that Muslims give.

A reading of Sharia Law article on wiki does highlight that women are simply second class; 2 men are needed as a witness under oath that a theif comitted a crime, but if you cant find two men you need 1 man and 2 women. I think this is probably because it appears women are easily manipulated in the culture.

I notice Dr Williams didn't actually say we should adopt Sharia Law, he said it was "unavoidable". Could be that he is highlighting the political correctness that makes the govt. bend over backwards for minority opinions?

Under our consitition you have freedom of religion, not freedom of legal system. Otherwise I might as well start drafting my contracts stating that we will be using the legal system of Equatorial Kundu.