sharia law for britain

[debbie t]

news
8 February 2008

United Kingdom
08/02 08:28 CET

Anglican leader triggers row over Sharia law

The Archbishop of Canterbury is at the centre of a row after suggesting that some aspects of Islamic Sharia law will unavoidably be introduced into the UK. Dr Rowan Williams, the spiritual leader of the world's Anglicans, said that this could be a way to improve community cohesion.

"We do not simply have a stand-off between two rival legal systems when we discuss Islamic and British law," he said.
"To recognize Sharia is to recognize a method of jurisprudence governed by revealed texts rather than a single system."

But the archbishop's comments have angered many who see the idea as a threat to the status and authority of British law.

UK Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said:
"I think there is one law in this country and it is the democratically determined law. That is the law I will uphold and that is the law that is at the heart of values that we share across all communities in this country."

While the government has distanced itself from the remarks, Muslim groups have welcomed the idea.

Ibrahim Mogra of the Muslim Council of Britain said:
"I think he is very gracious to suggest there is scope in the British legal system to recognize aspects of Sharia. It is the greatness of a great man. I think the nation has to take his suggestion very seriously."

Integration of Britain's 1.8 million Muslims is a key issue. Britain already allows Orthodox Jews to resolve disputes under traditional Jewish law.

 

[debbie t]

if this happens im leaving the country:mad

 

[debbie t]

10. Islam commands that drinkers and gamblers should be whipped.
In 2001, Iranian officials sentenced three men to flogging not only for illicit sex (see reason no. nine), but also for drinking alcohol.
In 2005, in Nigeria a sharia court ordered that a drinker should be caned eighty strokes.
In 2005, in the Indonesian province of Aceh, fifteen men were caned in front of a mosque for gambling. This was done publicly so all could see and fear. Eleven others are scheduled to undergo the same penalty for gambling.

 

[debbie t]

9. Islam allows husbands to hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives.
In 2004, Rania al—Baz, who had been beaten by her husband, made her ordeal public to raise awareness about violence suffered by women in the home in Saudi Arabia.
Saudi television aired a talk show that discussed this issue. Scrolling three—fourths of the way down the link, the readers can see an Islamic scholar holding up sample rods that husbands may use to hit their wives.

 

[debbie t]

8. Islam allows an injured plaintiff to exact legal revenge—physical eye for physical eye.
In 2003, in Saudi Arabia a man had two teeth extracted under the law of retaliation.
In 2003, a court in Pakistan sentenced a man to be blinded by acid after he carried out a similar attack on his fianc�e.
In 2005, an Iranian court orders a man's eye to be removed for throwing acid on another man and blinding him in both eyes.

 

[debbie t]

7. Islam commands that a male and female thief must have a hand cut off.
Warning! This short article has photos of severed hands. The reader should never lose sight of the fact that this punishment is prescribed in the Quran, the eternal word of Allah. It does not exist only in the fevered imagination of a violent and sick radical regime like the Taliban, which once ruled in Afghanistan.

 

[debbie t]

6. Islam commands that highway robbers should be crucified or mutilated.
In September 2003, Scotsman Sandy Mitchell faced crucifixion in Saudi Arabia. He was beaten and tortured until he confessed to a crime he did not commit: a bomb plot masterminded by the British embassy. The article says of this punishment that it is the worst kind of execution and that two have been carried out in the last twenty years.
In 2002 Amnesty International reports that even though Saudi Arabia ratified the Convention against Torture and other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (Convention against Torture) in October 1997, amputation is prescribed under both Hudud (punishments) and Qisas (law of retaliation). AI has recorded thirty—three amputations and nine cross—amputations where the alternate hand or foot is mutilated.

 

[debbie t]

5. Islam commands that homosexuals must be executed.
In February 1998, the Taliban, who once ruled in Afghanistan, ordered a stone wall to be pushed over three men convicted of sodomy. Their lives were to be spared if they survived for 30 minutes and were still alive when the stones were removed.
In its 1991 Constitution, in Articles 108—113, Iran adopted the punishment of execution for sodomy.
In April 2005, a Kuwaiti cleric says homosexuals should be thrown off a mountain or stoned to death.
On April 7, 2005, it was reported that Saudi Arabia sentenced more than 100 men to prison or flogging for 'gay conduct.'
These homosexuals were lucky. Early Islam would have executed them, as these hadith demonstrate.

 

[debbie t]

4. Islam orders unmarried fornicators to be whipped and adulterers to be stoned to death.
Fornication:
In 2001, Iranian officials sentenced three men to flogging for illicit sex.
The Quran says:

 

[debbie t]

3. Islam orders death for Muslim and possible death for non—Muslim critics of Muhammad and the Quran and even sharia itself.
In 1989, Iran's Supreme Leader issued a fatwa (legal decree) to assassinate Salman Rushdie, a novelist, who wrote Satanic Verses, which includes questions about the angel Gabriel's role in inspiring the Quran. Now the extremists in the highest levels in Iran have recently renewed the fatwa.
In 2005, The Muslim Council of Victoria, Australia, brought a lawsuit against two pastors for holding a conference and posting articles critiquing Islam. Three Muslims attended the conference and felt offended. The two pastors have been convicted based on Australia's vilification law. While on trial, one of them wanted to read from the Quran on domestic violence (see 9, above), but the lawyer representing the Council would not allow it. The pastors are appealing their conviction.
In 2005, British Muslims have been campaigning to pass a religious hate speech law in England's parliament. They have succeeded. Their ability to propagandize has not been curtailed. Opponents of the law say that it stifles free speech that may criticize Muhammad, the Quran, and Islam

 

[debbie t]

2. Islam orders apostates to be killed.
In Iran an academic was condemned to death for criticizing clerical rule in Iran. The rulers assert that he was insulting Muhammad and Shi'ite laws. He was charged with apostasy.
This analysis tracks the application of apostasy laws around the world, citing many examples.
Apostates are those who leave Islam, like Salman Rushdie (see the linked article in no. three, above), whether they become atheists or convert to another religion. They are supposed to be killed according to the Quran, the hadith, and later legal rulings.

 

[debbie t]

1. Islam commands offensive and aggressive and unjust jihad.
Muhammad is foundational to Islam, and he set the genetic code for Islam, waging war. In the ten years that he lived in Medina from his Hijrah (Emigration) from Mecca in AD 622 to his death of a fever in AD 632, he either sent out or went out on seventy—four raids, expeditions, or full—scale wars. They range from small assassination hit squads to kill anyone who insulted him, to the Tabuk Crusades in late AD 630 against the Byzantine Christians. He had heard a rumor that an army was mobilizing to invade Arabia, but the rumor was false, so his 30,000 jihadists returned home, but not before imposing a jizya tax on northern Christians and Jews.

 

[DACS]

Where did you get those laws? I am sure Sharia law is not boiled down to an easy 10 point rule of law... Can you provide a source please?

however my previous post states my opinion, and in a rare case, is the same opinion as the Home Secretary.

Wasn't the idea of imposing Sharia Law once proposed in Canada? I heard the PM at the time pretty much responded with ' these are our laws; like it or lump it'?

 

[Sparkey Duck]

The dirty sea dog, he be asking for mutiny.

 

[debbie t]

Where did you get those laws? I am sure Sharia law is not boiled down to an easy 10 point rule of law... Can you provide a source please?

however my previous post states my opinion, and in a rare case, is the same opinion as the Home Secretary.

Wasn't the idea of imposing Sharia Law once proposed in Canada? I heard the PM at the time pretty much responded with ' these are our laws; like it or lump it'?

agreed just ten points ,you start and it goes on and on(from an american article by the way)

but im an amnesty member so i know how this law is used elsewhere in the world,and its just worrying.

i think we should all be equal under the law this means were not,and im shocked that the archbishop should even suggest this,and actually cosidering my position as an anglican at the moment.

 

[DACS]

i think we should all be equal under the law this means were not,and im shocked that the archbishop should even suggest this,and actually cosidering my position as an anglican at the moment.

Couldn't agree more there: Everyone equal under the law is the only way: Those who want Sharia law go somewhere else.

However what he says surely should not affect your faith as that isnt based upon Dr Rowan Williams is it? (Unless you actually do worship him, then by all means question yourself)

 

[debbie t]

no lol
..i just find it ridiculous that the church of england should take this stance ,it would be equally stupid for us to want the law to change to accomodate fundamental christians ..similar to the situation where catholic adoption agencies wish to ignore the law concerning gay adoption..for me its just a slippery slope

 

[DACS]

It's all political correctness really. I say we change the magnetic core of the earth; that'll get em confused...[/non-pc]

But in all seriousness: This is a minority trying to dictate to the majority. If that's gonna happen I'm starting my own Party: It's gonna be called "My Way or the Highway" and the system of rule will be known as DACS-Law.

 

[Pudding Time]

The two legals systems don't mesh without contradictions at all. This simply wont work. And I highly doubt it will ever happen.

 

[debbie t]

It's all political correctness really. I say we change the magnetic core of the earth; that'll get em confused...[/non-pc]

But in all seriousness: This is a minority trying to dictate to the majority. If that's gonna happen I'm starting my own Party: It's gonna be called "My Way or the Highway" and the system of rule will be known as DACS-Law.

my hubby said almost the same thing this morning...ill join your party.my brother in law lives in bradford ,so dont get me started:24:and we wonder why the BMP are growing in strength????:smiley24:

i know were just talking about it with a view to divorce etc ,but sharia law already means many women here are treated awfully ,and poor old salmon rushdie cant even go to tescos even now