Serious question...

[TheOriginalJames]

actually i have no idea what "thing" with chris you are referring to... but thats not what i meant...

It was something four months ago.

Id like to chime in here now I think I have sat quiet long enough now, I can say I know youve swayed my opinion about others, by what youve said about them to me, before I knew them James. And no dont ask me for examples, because Im not going to get into a pissing match with you about it

There's a difference between talking about someone and spreading lies about them. I don't recall making up lies or talking trash about you. I've told people how I feel about what's going on between us, and what the situation is.

Talking about someone isn't necessarily a bad thing, and I know I've been talked about and mentioned quite a few times in the non public areas.

James, i don't think you are to wierd. You are a very stubborn person who is very conifident in your own beliefs. I think you often fail to walk in other peoples shoes. I think you also tend to blow things out of proportion and dwell on things for to long. But i still think you are a good guy.

I know that, and to that there is always two sides to every coin. I may not have your beliefs, and your way of thinking, But when I voice my opinion and get shot down for a differing opinion, and then I'm told I'm wrong, it is irritating to say the least. Sometimes people put themselves on pedestals and type like they're better than everything and everyone.

I live my life by the way I was brought up and what is going on in my life. I used to dwell on very little, but petty nonsense has gotten in the way of the fun we used to have on the site. Life may not be fair, but no one has a right to gossip behind peoples backs.

Edit: moved this down here where It shoulda gone...

I couldn't let that warning go because I felt it was nonsense, I posted the PW thread to house the bickering and the nonsense, and I was told to stop doing it. When I said no and kept at it, I got warned. The thread exists FOR that type of nonsense, and all the nonsense that has cluttered this thread.

 

[Boomer]

See, told ya. I got that fool shook.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

There is a PW thread for all this, Boomer.

 

[Boomer]

Its ok james. Im just playin man. Dont gotta get all worked up. Geesh.



















































*Pees on the thread*

 

[Jersey]

It was something four months ago.



There's a difference between talking about someone and spreading lies about them. I don't recall making up lies or talking trash about you. I've told people how I feel about what's going on between us, and what the situation is.

Talking about someone isn't necessarily a bad thing, and I know I've been talked about and mentioned quite a few times in the non public areas.



I know that, and to that there is always two sides to every coin. I may not have your beliefs, and your way of thinking, But when I voice my opinion and get shot down for a differing opinion, and then I'm told I'm wrong, it is irritating to say the least. Sometimes people put themselves on pedestals and type like they're better than everything and everyone.

I live my life by the way I was brought up and what is going on in my life. I used to dwell on very little, but petty nonsense has gotten in the way of the fun we used to have on the site. Life may not be fair, but no one has a right to gossip behind peoples backs.

Edit: moved this down here where It shoulda gone...

I couldn't let that warning go because I felt it was nonsense, I posted the PW thread to house the bickering and the nonsense, and I was told to stop doing it. When I said no and kept at it, I got warned. The thread exists FOR that type of nonsense, and all the nonsense that has cluttered this thread.

i still have no idea what chris thing you are talking about... but apparently its another reason not to trust you... true story

 

[Tim]

I couldn't let that warning go because I felt it was nonsense, I posted the PW thread to house the bickering and the nonsense, and I was told to stop doing it. When I said no and kept at it, I got warned. The thread exists FOR that type of nonsense, and all the nonsense that has cluttered this thread.

First, the PW thread wasn't created to be a place to bicker and fight. It was a place with one purpose and one purpose only, to increase your post count. But that doesn't matter.

Your warning wasn't given to you for posting or continuing to post after being told to stop. As a matter of fact, you weren't even being yelled at or told to do anything. It was a suggestion, a good suggestion.

Really if you two cant get along how about just not talking to each other tonight damn its like being in first grade listening to the two of you tonight

But you couldn't let it go, you had to turn it into an attack on you.

Oh god, just shutup already. whine whine whine.

If you want JT and I to stop arguing, tell him to keep his petty shit to himself. It's not funny. Ever.

And to make sure that you looked like the victim, you edited your post to this...

Stay out of it, Audra. This is the post whoring thread meant to post whore in.

Stop whining and skip over it if you don't like it. Or better yet, go tend to your daughter, or house, or husband for that matter.

You have a track record of editing your posts after the fact to twist it to suit your needs.

Now I know you will want to address the fact that this all started because JT was "picking" on you. Well he may have been getting under your skin, but you threw the first punch.

I did, James. I just didn't feeling like replying to such a childish comment. But thanks for trying your hardest to get my attention.

Um.... childish would be if I'd called you a butt raping asshole, or a faggoty manwhore, etc.

.....so I figured it had to mean something... unlike 'trance' aka 'annoying music' (I use the term music even though it really isn't)

Quit being a dick. I love Trance music. It's the most beautiful, uplifiting music I've ever experienced and I don't care what you or other people think.

It's ironic that you quit telling me to be a dick because I have a differing opinion on Trance music than you, but then you give your opinion about it directly after that.

You are just on my ass tonight, James. Man... what is your deal? lol

1. I'm nowhere NEAR your ass.
2. You called me a dick for having an opinion. Feel like your head got bit off? Good.

I'm just going to be the bigger man and ignore you tonight. If you shape up. I might listen to what you have to say tomorrow, maybe.

Which brings us to Audra's comment, which was 100% correct

Really if you two cant get along how about just not talking to eachother tonight damn its like being in first grade listening to the two of you tonight

You didn't get yelled at or get in trouble for bickering with Trance, you got in trouble for taking the drama and throwing it in Audra's face. Trance stopped bickering with you (if you can even call it that) and that was the end of the story for him. But you couldn't do that, you had to take it to the "James" level.

That's why the Warning stayed... It had nothing to do with the multiple demands you made to have her remove it.

Now I am not throwing this in your face, but you wanted to know some truths, here is one of them. You kept insisting that your warning was some sort of vendetta. Well it wasn't, it wasn't some conspiracy against you. If it wasn't warranted, it would have been lifted.

 

[Veronica]

From my experience you tend to make things about you alot of the time when its not the case. You tell me that you are defending yourself when you are the one that eggs it on. I dont know how many times I have tried to explain to you the problems that occur, but you dont listen at all. You only want to believe what you think and dont care about what other people think. You are not the victim on this site, nor is anyone else. We just need to have a good time and quit the stupid arguing. You are not always right.

As for what tim said, I agree.

James, you are a good person with a big heart, but you need to open up and start listening to other people alittle more. You jump to alot of conclusion that shouldnt be jumped to.

No one on this site is out to get you.

 

[lemon]

i dont know about that v, haus has been trying to get james for some time now..

 

[TheOriginalJames]

First, the PW thread wasn't created to be a place to bicker and fight. It was a place with one purpose and one purpose only, to increase your post count. But that doesn't matter.

I'm sorry Tim, but you're wrong. If you will kindly look at who started the thread, and what Chris' first post says, you'll understand why I started that thread. Don't tell me why I started that thread, because your reasoning is incorrect.

its very random...nothing to do with you hun actually I'm one of the biggest suspects lol...I love whoring the thread but I have to say...we should respect the people that start them and keep it on topic....other than that whore away

The RPW thread was created to keep the random off the topic bull out of the topics with meaning and a purpose. I had a discussion with Veronica the week before I started that thread, she was just as tired of the nonsense taking threads off topic as I was. I started that thread to curb the waste of time cluttering up the such threads.


I don't care what the nonsense says, JT and I do that all the damn time, and it's not a big deal. If you do not want to read the Random nonsense, simply do not read it. The warning was absolutely the worst decision Audra made.


JT stopped because he didn't find the irony behind it. I am not going to stop fucking around in the thread because Audra doesn't want to read it. That shit is ludicrous. Can you at least admit to that? I'm not going to sit there quietly while Audra flirts around with Boomer, or anyone else for that matter, which I don't want to read but say absolutely NOTHING, and be quiet while we both basically get told to shutup.

I'm sorry, but she may be a moderator, but moderators are not above the law, and last I checked she had no right to tell anyone to shutup.

If you don't believe in that, then you must not really be an American.

There was no real drama to throw in Audras face, she stepped into the middle of it and decided to take it up to the next level, knowing what would happen if she were to confront me.

JT and I started because he called me a dick for having an opinion. Was it stupid? Sure. Did I find fault in how he went about it? Sure. I don't hate JT and I was actually having a good time carrying on with him, just like he carries on with me about other things, which for the most part, I don't mind.

But you couldn't let it go, you had to turn it into an attack on you. And to make sure that you looked like the victim, you edited your post to this... You have a track record of editing your posts after the fact to twist it to suit your needs.

Now I know you will want to address the fact that this all started because JT was "picking" on you. Well he may have been getting under your skin, but you threw the first punch. Which brings us to Audra's comment, which was 100% correct


You didn't get yelled at or get in trouble for bickering with Trance, you got in trouble for taking the drama and throwing it in Audra's face. Trance stopped bickering with you (if you can even call it that) and that was the end of the story for him. But you couldn't do that, you had to take it to the "James" level.

That's why the Warning stayed... It had nothing to do with the multiple demands you made to have her remove it.

Sure didn't, we both got yelled at for bickering in the thread for it. Bickering - arguing - random nonsense, NONE of it is against Veronicas rules. A mod to tell me to stop doing it is completely insane, and the mere fact that Audra and I haven't been talking for a while, with her being the one to complain about us doing it is a little bit more than a simple coincidence, Isn't it?

Oh but you'll never agree with me because I 'edit to play the victim'.

I edit my shit to end it. I already had the warning when I removed what I said.

Now I am not throwing this in your face, but you wanted to know some truths, here is one of them. You kept insisting that your warning was some sort of vendetta. Well it wasn't, it wasn't some conspiracy against you. If it wasn't warranted, it would have been lifted.

If you can't see behind the scenes of what happened in that thread, then you don't have any room to tell me what your 'truths' are. I really don't appreciate this place anymore because of this one incident. Had she just went about her business, none of this would have happened.

Oh but I'm such a bad guy that I now have my own "James Level". Dude that's rediculous. lol

I can be confrontational - Audra confronted us. She knows how I am, and she did it anyway?

Does that make me a victim? Nope. Does that make me a troublemaker? Nope.

I was warned, and I was banned for two days because someone didn't want to read the random nonsense in the random PW thread. That is how it started - had she just skipped over it, nothing at all would have happened. She instead, decided to stick her nose into nothingness and SHE helped to create the problem, and then she hid behind her moderator status telling everyone behind closed doors everything I said to her in PMs.

Suddenly I get you PMing me with things I said to her privately... remember that? I even got yelled at for that.

In her knowing me for almost a year now, talking on the phone for long periods of time, she should have flat out KNOWN, if she tells me what to do like that while I'm not breaking any rules; I will confront her. It's just that plain and simple.

I would like you to show me where;

1. I broke rules in telling her to go away and don't read the Random PW thread it it was truly bothering her that much.
2. My bickering with JT got out of control, thus breaking Veronicas rules.
3. My private messaging to her was ANY of your business. Would you like me to remind you what your wife sent to me via PMs, yet got no warnings or infractions for?

She could have simply PM'd me, but it wouldn't have mattered. I do recall being semi drunk and fairly pissed off that night. But hey, you didn't know that so one week later after you finally decided this was something you had to do even though the "unanimous" mod decision turned into you repeatedly asking someone else to do it, I get banned simply for not taking shit from someone whom I thought was lying and making up more drama and retarded idiocy behind my back.

 

[GuesSAngel]

James, I really don't think that you read what everyone had to say about you...you wanted everyone's opinion and I think as they'll read your last post their/my definition of you is basically true. Sometimes you just need to admit when your wrong on things and let things go. You do act like you are always right and always the victim.

 

[Tim]

I don't know what to say James... All this drama you created from one post.

Really if you two cant get along how about just not talking to each other tonight damn its like being in first grade listening to the two of you tonight

Where does it say to shut up? Where does it say that you can't post?

I just don't get it.

and your ban had more to do with the fact that you were asking every mod on the site to lift your warning. You don't ask 1 mod to retract a warning from another mod. That is a decision left to a supermod or the admin. You played your politics and they came back to bite you. This wasn't something I thought up one day because I was bored. So please get all your facts straight before you say that I was the one trying to get you banned.

 

[OUZBnd]

edit: be blunt, i'm not going to get mad at anyone for having their opinions.

I'll assume this still holds true.

James, you started this thread with an open invitation for everyone to be blunt with you and tell you their problems they had. With you doing that, I thought you would be willing to take in the issues and advice people gave you. It is obvious that you are not. And by not listening to what people are telling you (which ironically is a poblem that people keep bringing up about you not listening to others), this thread is pointless and only effective at causing more drama.

I am looking at this whole thing complete from an outsiders point of view. And my personal take on it is that you look at any issue that someone may have with you as petty and "misunderstood". Yet when you have a problem with someone else, or something someone else said, you blow it completely out of proportion and cause all sorts of drama where it is not warranted.

Is there anything worse than a complainer? Nope, nothing worse. We all know one, and we all want to distance ourselves from that person. You are starting to portray your self as this person. Sometimes it's better to just let things slide, to sit back, relax, and not worry about the petty things.

 

[Haus]

it was said best in here IMO when it was said to pick your fights wisley.

just dont let things get to ya.

let things die. cool off and let things slide off your back. it is the internet after all.

Refer to sig.


but you said to show you where it says no arguing to get out of hand.
there you go.

- Arguing- I really dont care about arguing as long as it doesnt get out of hand. If you want to start something with someone in particular, please PM them. The whole board doesnt need to get in on it. If a moderator argues with you, that is them as a person doing it and it will not come back on otz. I am not gonna demod someone for arguing with a member. They need to handle it themselves.. NOW, if a moderator gets out of hand by editing, deleting, moving posts, closing threads, ect. I will handle that.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

James, I really don't think that you read what everyone had to say about you...you wanted everyone's opinion and I think as they'll read your last post their/my definition of you is basically true. Sometimes you just need to admit when your wrong on things and let things go. You do act like you are always right and always the victim.

Well see here is the problem, I try to get answers and I get yelled at. I try to have some fun, and I get yelled at. The whole JT and I bickering thing was my having fun with JT. Yes, I was a bit annoyed being called a dick, but JT and I have talked about that. THAT rolled out of my mind and I was done with it. What I don't appreciate is being told that the thread I started has a different meaning to someone else.

Everybody acts like they are always right, it's just a matter of life in the human world. You know this, I know this, hell your PMs to me a month or so ago prove this. You refused to believe that anyone else could have ever dealt with depression like you have.

Sometimes you are, and sometimes you aren't right. In this case I don't believe a warning was warrented, and I don't believe someone who's making things up about me behind my back was warrented either.

I don't know what to say James... All this drama you created from one post.




Where does it say to shut up? Where does it say that you can't post?

I just don't get it.

and your ban had more to do with the fact that you were asking every mod on the site to lift your warning. You don't ask 1 mod to retract a warning from another mod. That is a decision left to a supermod or the admin. You played your politics and they came back to bite you. This wasn't something I thought up one day because I was bored. So please get all your facts straight before you say that I was the one trying to get you banned.

Where does that not say to shutup, Tim? Just because she didn't come right out and say shutup doesn't mean that wasn't her intent. She didn't want to read it, so I was told to stop doing what I was doing. JT stopped because he was going to bed.

I was basically told that I was not allowed to bicker, or act immature. You HAVE to admit to that, at the very least.

Why do I need to act professional on an offtopicz board in the first place? This is where I come to unwind, to get away from the gossip and the malicious nonsense that I have to put up with day in and day out for 9 hours.

It's obvious that my politics and your politics have two different mind sets, but I know that no other mod would have warned me for saying or doing what I did in the RPW thread except for her. That's a fact, and again, you have to admit to that. She put her personal feelings in front of her and used her power to keep me from being me and doing as I see fit, inside the guidelines Veronica has set.

At first, since you decided you would refuse to tell me WHY, I started asking others to help me figure it out. Had you simply explained why, and talked to me instead of simply doing this to me;

I'll assume this still holds true.

James, you started this thread with an open invitation for everyone to be blunt with you and tell you their problems they had. With you doing that, I thought you would be willing to take in the issues and advice people gave you. It is obvious that you are not. And by not listening to what people are telling you (which ironically is a poblem that people keep bringing up about you not listening to others), this thread is pointless and only effective at causing more drama.

I am looking at this whole thing complete from an outsiders point of view. And my personal take on it is that you look at any issue that someone may have with you as petty and "misunderstood". Yet when you have a problem with someone else, or something someone else said, you blow it completely out of proportion and cause all sorts of drama where it is not warranted.

Is there anything worse than a complainer? Nope, nothing worse. We all know one, and we all want to distance ourselves from that person. You are starting to portray your self as this person. Sometimes it's better to just let things slide, to sit back, relax, and not worry about the petty things.

I'm not trying to cause any drama with this - people take me very seriously here, I can make a comment and it's taken as a threat, or an insult, or just flat out negatively. I've had so many PMs after someone gets mad at me from others saying, 'wow, I thought it was funny.'

With this thread, I asked opinions and with that, I am allowed to rebutt those opinions with my own. Just because I don't agree with 100% of everything typed to me, doesn't mean I'm not paying attention to the meaning behind it. I just ask that people here do the same. I've jumped to conclusions with one side of the story, and I regret doing that. That's what I felt has happened to me on this board over the past month. I'm not a victim, I just believe that people blow things I say out of proportion to start with, and it goes downhill from there. It's a bad clash when two A personalities go at it on or off the board.

But so far I've been told that my personality type is severely flawed, and that I'm always wrong, yet I never admit to it. I believe I have admitted to some wrong doings, but nothing that has warrented moderation or removal of the site. Everybody wants me to admit my flaws, and my wrongdoings, but nobody has given me an explanation of my wrong doings until now. I asked Tim 3 times for the purpose of my ban, prior to, during, and after my ban was in effect and only now am I even getting a tiny chunk of it.

Whether or not that was on purpose is really only for him to know, but when I try to find out, it's merely me 'instigating' problems.

I keep being told to not take things so seriously, and I rarely ever did until people starting taking things seriously from me and using it to bash my head in with a louisville slugger.

it was said best in here IMO when it was said to pick your fights wisley.

just dont let things get to ya.

let things die. cool off and let things slide off your back. it is the internet after all.

Refer to sig.


but you said to show you where it says no arguing to get out of hand.
there you go.

My point with the rules is that arguing is allowed, and with it being in the RPW thread, it's not going to get out of hand within the confines of a specific topic with a specific purpose - that thread is there to house that sort of stuff, at least that was the original intent and purpose of my starting it.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

Anyway, I'm done. I'm satisfied with everything that has been said in here. I'm not mad at anyone for any of their opinions.

If anyone else has anything to say, I'll read it but I'm not going to be posting in here again.

Thanks everybody.

 

[Trance97]

I feel like internet fighting tonight. You wanna fight, James? Lets fucking go at it.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

*breaks his last post*

Got AIM? I'm more than willing to get involved in useless shenanigans, I got nothing else to do.

 

[Trance97]

Haha, I was testing you to see if you would actually post agian. Looks like I win.

 

[Peter Parka]

Can't we all just let it go people. A very wise man once said

"Fighting on the internet is like running in the special Olympics.
If you win, you're still retarded!"

 

[SilentEyz]

*sigh* I probably should just stay out of this, But I am going to take from everything I read, And yes James what I am reading here is really all I know of the situation.

You insist that you were just joking and playing around, and thats all fine and good, but it would seem as though NO one else saw it or took it like that, was it because of other things going on at the time.. Maybe, Or

My own thoughts, What I read I did not see as joking, because I have been on this board for a long time, and I see when you joke, and I see when your upset, and the words you used and the statements you made at that time did NOT come across to me as joking. you say it was just BSing.. cool, but for people reading it, it did not truly come across that way. as for the events that happened after all that, I have no say in it, I am not privey nor do I want to be about all that, What I do know Is those comments you made to Jt in the Pw thread at that time did not seem to be you playing around.. And his comments at the time do not indicate that he was either.

Its not about telling you that you were wrong, its about just telling you to stop and see how it looked to others, you know what you said and why.. and you say it was joking.. but its about stopping and looking at it from another view.. being able to say.. Well Ok I know I was joking, but Obviously it did not come across that way and maybe I screwed up. its not having to say you were wrong, Its seeing that maybe although you thought you were right.it could be percieved as wrong, and accepting responsibility for that perception. Right or wrong, we create how and what people percieve of us, and often we create errors in that perception. That is what we admit guilt to, not the error itself, but the perception.

Dont get me Wrong here James, I know I have had my diffrences with you, But I have no problems with you, I am not trying to tell you that you were right or wrong.. In Fact my entire answer here is based on me looking at it as if it was myself in the situation. and though there is many things in this situation obviously that I dont know, I am just basing on the general content here.

My thoughts in any given situation of the way one sees to the others view is this:

You have a bias that disqualifies you as an impartial judge of your situation.

Take some time to question your motives and ask yourself what you are doing or trying to accomplish. Temper your sense of righteousness and entitlement to judge; . Before you can correct anyone else's thinking, you have to learn how to more objectively correct your own,

Thats something I have to tell myself all the time, Because What I KNOW to be right.. does not always mean everyone else see's it with my view