Sen. Craig's future in question after sex arrest

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WASHINGTON - A government watchdog group filed an ethics complaint against Idaho Sen. Larry Craig Tuesday after Craig said he pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges stemming from complaints of lewd conduct in a men's room.
The conservative three-term senator, who has represented Idaho in Congress for more than a quarter-century, is up for re-election next year. He hasn't said if he will run for a fourth term in 2008 and was expected to announce his plans this fall.
Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington filed a complaint with the Senate ethics committee seeking an investigation into whether Craig violated Senate rules by engaging in disorderly conduct.


It's a really long article. You can read the rest here:
Senator's future in question after sex arrest - Politics - MSNBC.com

Evidently this bathroom was known as a spot where men have sex with each other. law enforcement had gotten many complaints about people having sex there.

It's pretty clear to me, if the officer's report is accurate, that Craig was looking for bathroom sex. Perhaps more telling than the foot touching or hand motions was his initial contact, where he stared through the crack in the officer's stall door and made and held eye contact. Even women, who don't have so much atavistic fear of being thought gay, would not do such a thing in the normal course of using the toilet. If you're in the bathroom "for its intended use" as the officer puts it, and you happen to glance through a door crack and catch someone's eye, the normal reaction is to look away hastily.

Craig said the reason he was running his hand along the bottom of the stall divider was that he was reaching for a dropped piece of paper. Which wasn't there, according to the police report, and even if it was, fondling the toilet cubicle is an odd way to retrieve something on the floor.

I suspect he pled guilty hoping no one would notice, especially since the crime he pled to was "disorderly conduct," not something inherently associated with illicit public sex.

Speaking of which, I'm pretty damned liberal about allowing consenting adults to chose what to do in their sex lives, but I can understand why cruising for sex in a public bathroom should be illegal. If you're outrageously flirting in a bar, presumably your plan is to go to a private place for consummation. Subjecting random strangers to intimate observation of your copulation is (in addition to being incredibly gross) worthy of legal prohibition, in my opinion.

I don't give a damn if he's gay. Whatever. It's the hypocrisy of pushing anti-gay agendas and generally being a hateful ass, while concealing membership in the persecuted group.


Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)

Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)

Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)

Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)

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I don't give a damn if he's gay. Whatever. It's the hypocrisy of pushing anti-gay agendas and generally being a hateful ass, while concealing membership in the persecuted group.


Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)

Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)

Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)

Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)

Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)

This man is not fit to be a leader. :(
 

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Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)

Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)

Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)

Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)

Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)
I have plenty of gay friends that agree with these votes.
It does not make someone anti-gay for them to vote this way.

As far as the actual topic, I read the police report. I'm reading it and think I am understanding it to say that the cop believes the senator was gesturing for sexual interaction. I think the cop is probably correct, but from what the report says the senator didn't do anything 'lewd'. Maybe I'm missing something here.
 

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Voted YES on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)

Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)

Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)

Voted YES on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)

Voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)

And to vote along these lines as he did makes him anti-civil rights and Un- American in my opinion. :D
 

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As far as the actual topic, I read the police report. I'm reading it and think I am understanding it to say that the cop believes the senator was gesturing for sexual interaction. I think the cop is probably correct, but from what the report says the senator didn't do anything 'lewd'. Maybe I'm missing something here.

When I'm in a restroom, I don't normally peer into the next stall and caress the stall. His foot was touching the cops in the next stall. :D
 

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Well then I guess you'd consider me anti-civil rights and unAmerican then, when nothing could be farther from the truth.

;)


Eye of the beholder, Ms Abounds. ;)
When Americans are treated differently by law then I consider that Un- American. I believe in equal rights for all Americans.

And this ain't the first time this 'leader' has been under suspicion for this kinda inappropriate 'n criminal behavior.

YouTube - 1982 Larry Craig denial, 1982 #2=
 

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He's about to give a press conference on all the cable news channels in a few minutes. I hope he explains his amazing spiderman stance while urinating but I suspect he'll be trying to save his career with whatever his PR people wrote for him to say. Personally, I'm buying the Police Officers version since I can't think of an reason he'd lie.
 

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When I'm in a restroom, I don't normally peer into the next stall and caress the stall. His foot was touching the cops in the next stall. :D
He didn't 'caress' the stall according to the police report. The cop's foot would have to be close to the divider as well for the senator's foot to be touching his.

Don't get me wrong here, I agree with the cop's police report, just not the spin going on in the media or this thread.

Maybe I'm ignorant of how a gay guy tries to pick someone up in a bathroom stall, but nothing on the police report strikes me as lewd. If the Senator asked for sex, whipped out his penis in front of the cop, or something to that extent I would consider that lewd conduct.

My conclusion of the report is that the Senator's behavior was suspicious of 'known behavior' of men trying to pick up men in public bathrooms according to the arresting officer.
 

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Eye of the beholder, Ms Abounds. ;)
When Americans are treated differently by law then I consider that Un- American. I believe in equal rights for all Americans.

And this ain't the first time this 'leader' has been under suspicion for this kinda inappropriate 'n criminal behavior.

YouTube - 1982 Larry Craig denial, 1982 #2=
I'm not watching the utube thing as I am not sticking up for this guy. Don't misunderstand what I am saying here. :)
 

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He didn't 'caress' the stall according to the police report. The cop's foot would have to be close to the divider as well for the senator's foot to be touching his.

Don't get me wrong here, I agree with the cop's police report, just not the spin going on in the media or this thread.

Maybe I'm ignorant of how a gay guy tries to pick someone up in a bathroom stall, but nothing on the police report strikes me as lewd. If the Senator asked for sex, whipped out his penis in front of the cop, or something to that extent I would consider that lewd conduct.

My conclusion of the report is that the Senator's behavior was suspicious of 'known behavior' of men trying to pick up men in public bathrooms according to the arresting officer.

It's a common problem in State welcome center bathrooms as well. He was up on the pick up lingo. ;)
 

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He's about to give a press conference on all the cable news channels in a few minutes. I hope he explains his amazing spiderman stance while urinating but I suspect he'll be trying to save his career with whatever his PR people wrote for him to say. Personally, I'm buying the Police Officers version since I can't think of an reason he'd lie.


His constant simple sayin' of "I am not gay" reminds
me of Nixon with his "I am not a crook" :lol
 

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He's about to give a press conference on all the cable news channels in a few minutes. I hope he explains his amazing spiderman stance while urinating but I suspect he'll be trying to save his career with whatever his PR people wrote for him to say. Personally, I'm buying the Police Officers version since I can't think of an reason he'd lie.
I'm sure that will be interesting to hear. Not. LOL!

I don't see any reason to think the police officer would lie either. Though from how the police report was written it seemed to me like the officer knew who the guy was. Maybe he is just familiar with politicians. Who knows?
 

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I'm not watching the utube thing as I am not sticking up for this guy. Don't misunderstand what I am saying here. :)


Ms Abounds, I didn't post the youtube especially for you,
it's just a contribution to Mr Casey's thread here. :lol
Don't misunderstand me, I hardly ever target individual posters. ;)

I want you to know I too have gay friends
and some of 'em are Republicans too. :24:
 

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It's a common problem in State welcome center bathrooms as well. He was up on the pick up lingo. ;)

I should have added that many straight men go to these bathrooms as well to be relieved so to speak. My best friend is a Highway Patrol Officer so he's told me these lovely stories.
 

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I should have added that many straight men go to these bathrooms as well to be relieved so to speak. My best friend is a Highway Patrol Officer so he's told me these lovely stories.
Really?

Straight men what to be relieved by gay men?

Ok. I'm totally confused now.

:confused
 
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