Saddam's WMD. The great "lie."

[IntruderLS1]

We've pulled mustard gas missiles and nuclear material out of Iraq in the past two years (Not that most people heard about it in the news). If those materials had been found in the first 6 months instead of the first four years, do you think everybody would still be calling the intelligence services of the world (via the U.S. President) liars?

What was the time limit for finding WMD before it became untrue?

 

[Zorak]

357 days exactly.

edit: I have to ask!!

i just have to, sorry mate, do you actually believe there are WMDs in Iraq somewhere..... *waits for response and readies self for laughter*

 

[IntruderLS1]

357 days exactly.

:24: Cheers friend.

 

[skyblue]

what do you think exactly he was gassing the kurds with......beer farts?

 

[Minor Axis]

Your beating a dead horse. The WMD reason was replaced by Al Queda in Iraq which was replaced by Saddam was a bad man. You need to get with the times.

 

[Dana]

beer farts?

:24::willy_nilly:

 

[Peter Parka]

what do you think exactly he was gassing the kurds with......beer farts?

Stuff we sold to him when it suited us.

 

[Zorak]

Don't forget the French, they build giant nuclear silios for him :O

 

[groundpounder]

what do you think exactly he was gassing the kurds with......beer farts?

I know squeezed off a couple a few minutes ago that would eliminate a small village, so it's plausible :ninja

 

[skyblue]

I know squeezed off a couple a few minutes ago that would eliminate a small village, so it's plausible :ninja

:24::24::24::24::24:

 

[IntruderLS1]

edit: I have to ask!!

i just have to, sorry mate, do you actually believe there are WMDs in Iraq somewhere..... *waits for response and readies self for laughter*

Prepair to laugh.

It's not a matter of beliefe or hope. We did in FACT find chemcial weapons in Iraq. This past week, we found nuclear materials. Last year we found Mustard gas.

Nobody cares of course because Bush is still a liar, but reality is reality. :shrug: Kinda weird it isn't a bigger story. :thumbdown

 

[NicAuf]

We might have found some WMDs, however Bush made it seems like there would huge stockpiles of WMDs.


However, we never had a real reason to go into the country, but thats another story for another day.....

 

[Minor Axis]

However, we never had a real reason to go into the country, but thats another story for another day.....

Actually that is the story.

 

[GraceAbounds]

Prepair to laugh.

It's not a matter of beliefe or hope. We did in FACT find chemcial weapons in Iraq. This past week, we found nuclear materials. Last year we found Mustard gas.

Nobody cares of course because Bush is still a liar, but reality is reality. :shrug: Kinda weird it isn't a bigger story. :thumbdown

Most don't care about truth as you know Scott. Mass cynical negative media and gossip is what sells commercials, books, magazines etc.

And we of course live in a culture that wants everything right now. We want change, improvement, and growth to happen now because gosh darn nit we are being inconvenienced.

The majority of our society or the world for that matter doesn't have the foresight or perserverance as our ancestors did to know that 'right' things take time to come to frutation. Most would rather sit around and complain about people that are actually doing something. They'd rather sit around and accuse everyone in power of evil intentions. We live in a very ungrateful world.

We might have found some WMDs, however Bush made it seems like there would huge stockpiles of WMDs. However, we never had a real reason to go into the country, but thats another story for another day....

We didn't 'might have' ... we did find WMD, but what does it really matter in the whole scheme of things? The region needs a larger stronghold that is against the breeding of more terrorists. Look at the bigger picture. Plant seeds of anti terrorism and pray like hell that it spreads and breaths life. It is the only thing that is going to ever stabilize the region in the LONG run.

 

[Minor Axis]

That's the most frustrating part of being an attorney--the fact that so many people make up their minds on such bullshit--most of the world believes what the major media outlets want them to believe--they never even question anything intellectually or ask critical questions. Minor is a good example of a person completely indoctrinated to the point he could not separate reality from fiction. Sorry Minor--you're a decent guy, just completely clueless.

And you're a decent guy too, but completely mistaken. I do look at subjects critically. When Bush first appeared as a candidate for President, I was more than willing to give him a chance, but it did not take long to realize he was and is a bumkin, unable to intelligently argue any issue. All he could do and can do is spout slogans. My initial impression was and is correct and his Administration has been a disaster. You and most of the conservatives think he's a great guy and a great leader. That is laughable and totally undermines any claim you have of being superior thinkers. But it also reveals that the conservative agenda is more important than any loser of a President or the ruination of this country. It's all about power and holding on to it. I'm not going to imply that the Democrats are any different in this matter, but they do care about the working class in this country while the Republican party does not give a damn. It does not require any critical thinking to reach this conclusion as it as is plain as day.

One more thing, you are completely bias in your conservative agenda. I am a moderate but I'm sure you laugh about that claim. However things in this country right now are a huge mess and we can thank the Republican party. All I can do is argue for less Republican's and more Democrats or Independents. If that makes me sound liberal so be it. If I support the labor force of which I am a part of, feel free to hold that against me. But I don't have to accept your bullshit about communist unions and how they have forced the poor corporations to send jobs overseas. The workers in this country are the victims not the corporations. Maybe you'll get a few suckers to believe you, that's life.

We all rely on 1) official info, 2) media info, 3) personal witness, 4) personal bias. You've got no superior source for the info you rely on about what is happening around the world or in this country for that fact. You are by no means an independent thinker. Whatever your conservative source tells you is the truth, you have a natural bias to believe it due to your personal bias. Just don't expect me or others of like thinking to view you as a pillar of knowledge and truth because it is mostly bullshit right out of the conservative playbook.

 

[GraceAbounds]

The workers in this country are the victims not the corporations. Maybe you'll get a few suckers to believe you, that's life.

I'm not going to argue that workers aren't hurting in this country; they are. But they are hurting because corporations are hurting. I don't know where you get your information from, but it is WRONG. It is completely WRONG. American corporations are #2 when it comes to paying the the highest amount of taxes in this world. Japan is #1 in screwing their businesses.

Of course companies in America are going to LEAVE America when they can go some place else and pay less taxes so that they can provide products for a cheaper price and have a higher profit margin. That is business 101. It is because of this that the workers in America are hurting. Businesses don't want to be in America anymore. It isn't worth it. Anti-corporation liberals are causing businesses to leave and then turning around and saying they are for the America workers. What a load of sh*t.

 

[Minor Axis]

What you don't get Grace is that society is a balance between corporations (the employers) and their employees. We are a country of people and we are supposed to be a team. And there should be a balance so that most members of society can live good happy productive lives. That is no longer the case or at least we are moving away from that stepping backwards towards a class based society. Globalization is partly to blame. I'm afraid when most people no longer feel that the "system" is fair is when you'll see a revolution of some kind.

BTW, look at the leaders of those large corporations, they have no problem taking care of themselves while they leave the employees to deal and live with the mess they've left. Most of those guys are rewarded well with huge payoffs regardless of how good a job they did with the company because if the "right" people are taken care of it's all good as far as they are concerned.

 

[dt3]

I'm not going to argue that workers aren't hurting in this country; they are. But they are hurting because corporations are hurting. I don't know where you get your information from, but it is WRONG. It is completely WRONG. American corporations are #2 when it comes to paying the the highest amount of taxes in this world. Japan is #1 in screwing their businesses.

Of course companies in America are going to LEAVE America when they can go some place else and pay less taxes so that they can provide products for a cheaper price and have a higher profit margin. That is business 101. It is because of this that the workers in America are hurting. Businesses don't want to be in America anymore. It isn't worth it. Anti-corporation liberals are causing businesses to leave and then turning around and saying they are for the America workers. What a load of sh*t.

I heard the other day (on Conservative Talk Radio ) that if a US corporation has overseas subsidiaries, and they want to bring that money back into America, it's a 35% tax rate! :eek

 

[GraceAbounds]

That is what corporations pay here now. Has nothing to do if they come back or not, that's what the rate is. It's insane. I use to own my own business. It wasn't worth it. Too much work and not enough profit for breaking my back or to pay my workers and I a wage that matched the amount of skilled work we did. Not worth it.

 

[Obdurate]

What you don't get Grace is that society is a balance between corporations (the employers) and their employees. We are a country of people and we are supposed to be a team. And there should be a balance so that most members of society can live good happy productive lives. That is no longer the case or at least we are moving away from that stepping backwards towards a class based society. Globalization is partly to blame. I'm afraid when most people no longer feel that the "system" is fair is when you'll see a revolution of some kind.

BTW, look at the leaders of those large corporations, they have no problem taking care of themselves while they leave the employees to deal and live with the mess they've left. Most of those guys are rewarded well with huge payoffs regardless of how good a job they did with the company because if the "right" people are taken care of it's all good as far as they are concerned.

Word.

The system was never fair. It was built as dog eat dog. Any system that allows poverty to exist is wrong, it's as simple as that.

Anti-corporation liberals are causing businesses to leave and then turning around and saying they are for the America workers. What a load of sh*t.

I think that's simplifying the movement too much.

You can't just hurt a corporation and think it's the solution, because it's not. In order to get any real change, you have to hit all points of the foundation at once. Which is why gun banning won't work, or why throwing money at poverty is only a temporary solution.

Anti-corporation liberals, as you called them, are for the workers if they know what they're talking about. Get rid of corporations, let people work as a community and co-operate. It's not as scary as people seem to think.