Richard Dawkins Versus Homophobic Christians

[itsmeJonB]

http://youtu.be/w-edtmeXZB4

 

[doombug]

I think Dawkins is wrong. Anyone has a right to their own opinion on the subject.

 

[Guyzerr]

I think Dawkins is wrong. Anyone has a right to their own opinion on the subject.

:homo:

I'm thinkin' that black lady kicked his professored ass.

 

[Zorak]

:homo:

I'm thinkin' that black lady kicked his professored ass.

Oh yah, "I bet you had a mother" is real stinging... :24:

 

[Guyzerr]

Oh yah, "I bet you had a mother" is real stinging... :24:

That combined with the rest of what she said which from the tone of your reply to me you failed to comprehend. Just for curiosity sake why didn't you take a stab at doombug? Could it be because you like attacking me?

 

[doombug]

That combined with the rest of what she said which from the tone of your reply to me you failed to comprehend. Just for curiosity sake why didn't you take a stab at doombug? Could it be because you like attacking me?

Nah, many here are afraid to debate and would rather stick to patting each other on the back.

 

[doombug]

Oh yah, "I bet you had a mother" is real stinging... :24:

I really don't see why the lady tried to even rationalize her opinion. Dawkin's view that personal beliefs and opinions don't matter is off the mark. Science really hasn't answered if being gay is a choice or not so opinions are all that anyone can have at this point. To me whether it is choice or genetic isn't that important anyway.

 

[Tim]

I think Dawkins is wrong. Anyone has a right to their own opinion on the subject.

I think you missed his point on that. Yes, anyone has the right to their own opinion... unless the facts don't bear it out.

Meaning, I may have an opinion on something that is factually incorrect, in which case, it's no longer an opinion but a misleading statement.

I can sit here and say, that the sun revolves around the earth and try to defend it by saying that it's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. But it's not an opinion, it's a misstatement of fact. There is a difference between the two.

 

[Tim]

I really don't see why the lady tried to even rationalize her opinion. Dawkin's view that personal beliefs and opinions don't matter is off the mark. Science really hasn't answered if being gay is a choice or not so opinions are all that anyone can have at this point. To me whether it is choice or genetic isn't that important anyway.

So did you have to choose to be straight? Is this a conscious choice you need to make?
You need to try to reverse the tables and look at yourself and ask the same questions.

I know that I could not change my sexuality. It's not something I learned nor is it something I can change... So why would I believe that it's any different for a homosexual?

So could you change your sexuality and genuinely be attracted to only men?

 

[doombug]

I think you missed his point on that. Yes, anyone has the right to their own opinion... unless the facts don't bear it out.

Meaning, I may have an opinion on something that is factually incorrect, in which case, it's no longer an opinion but a misleading statement.

I can sit here and say, that the sun revolves around the earth and try to defend it by saying that it's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. But it's not an opinion, it's a misstatement of fact. There is a difference between the two.

But to have a mis-statement of fact there needs to be fact to start with. Whether being gay is a choice or not hasn't been proven so all anyone has is opinion.

 

[Panacea]

I have not been able to watch this video, though I would wage a bet I could predict much of the tone...I will watch it when I can.

Anyway I don't think it would matter, to those of anti-homosexual opinions, if science could prove homosexuality to be a genetic predisposition. I think the "born this way" movement is not helping civil rights much. I think it unwittingly admits there's something wrong with the orientation that needs a biological justification. I also think it gives these people far too much credit for their opinions. I don't think these individuals are looking to use fact or logic to change their opinion about gay people, because these anti-homosexual sentiments suit their emotional needs.

 

[Tim]

But to have a mis-statement of fact there needs to be fact to start with. Whether being gay is a choice or not hasn't been proven so all anyone has is opinion.

So is being straight (attracted to the opposite sex) a choice for you? Could you change yourself and flip your sexual preference?

 

[doombug]

So did you have to choose to be straight? Is this a conscious choice you need to make?
You need to try to reverse the tables and look at yourself and ask the same questions.

I know that I could not change my sexuality. It's not something I learned nor is it something I can change... So why would I believe that it's any different for a homosexual?

So could you change your sexuality and genuinely be attracted to only men?

Whether it is choice or genetics I am attracted to the opposite sex so I am not gay. Personally I don't have any problem with gay people whether they are making a choice or are born that way. To me it doesn't matter and isn't so much the issue as how we as a society should view gays. This is what should be looked at in my opinion being born gay or choosing to be gay seems pointless. Regardless, it is what it is.

 

[doombug]

So is being straight (attracted to the opposite sex) a choice for you? Could you change yourself and flip your sexual preference?

To be honest I don't know because you are asking a hypothetical question. I wouldn't doubt that people could choose to be gay and if they still were attracted to the opposite sex they would be bi-sexual. As I have said though I don't think being born gay or making a choice is as important an issue as people make it out to be.

 

[Tim]

So are people born straight?

 

[HK]

Whether people are born gay, or whether they become gay as a result of their environment and upbringing, either way I've never heard anyone say that they decided to become gay.


I think I actually agree with doombug - in the end, does it really matter why people are gay? It's a personal preference that doesn't actually hurt anyone else, or even affect them. I see why it is an issue though - if it could be proven to be genetic then it could hardly be defined as 'sinful' because it's completely involuntary. The only reason people are bothered is to try and show those who persecute gays that they're wrong to do so, but to be honest I think that sort of person wouldn't be convinced even with scientific proof.

 

[JuggsBunny]

The impression I got from Dawkins in regards to the video is...

What the pentecostal evangelical was basing her entire opinion about gays on is the bible. Which has never been "proven" to be a book written by *god*. Therefore, she was showing her inability to see other points besides her own. Religion keeps people ignorant.

 

[JuggsBunny]

And HK - you are entirely correct.

That type of person could be beat about the face and neck with proof - and she would still refuse to see any other point.

 

[Zorak]

That combined with the rest of what she said which from the tone of your reply to me you failed to comprehend. Just for curiosity sake why didn't you take a stab at doombug? Could it be because you like attacking me?

That must be it.
:sarcasm

 

[Tim]

... in the end, does it really matter why people are gay? It's a personal preference that doesn't actually hurt anyone else, or even affect them.

This is the whole point I am trying to get across.

Forget the argument of whether being gay is good or bad. Let's not even discuss that part...

Do you really think that it's a personal preference? I mean is your attraction to the opposite sex a personal preference? Or is it something you can't control?

I submit that your sexual preference is not something you control or change, and I'm talking about your deep down feelings of attraction. So this is why I do not believe that me being straight is a personal preference anymore than someone who is homosexual making it a personal preference...