Republicans vs Democrats under Obama

[Minor Axis]

Based on what is happening today in Congress, which party would you say (if any) is more willing to compromise to get something accomplished in D.C.? Admittedly I'm partisan but I view the Republican's position as if "we don't get our way we won't play". I find it highly ironic that they, with the help of our former President orchestrated or at a minimum played a substantial part in the financial mess we are currently in but all of a sudden they found their "fiscal responsible" backbones. I have the feeling that if it is not tax cuts for corporations, they are not interested. If the Republican Party thinks they can kick and scream preventing progress, and are perceived that way, if they think the American public will reward them the next time around, they are sadly mistaken. Bottom line, compromise is essential.

Republican Senator Spector: (One of the 3 Republicans who voted for the Senate stimulus package, excerpts are paraphrased)
"Sometimes Party asks too much."
"Some are functioning under strict party philosophy." (when asked why only 3 Republican's voted for the Senate stimulus bill.)
"More accommodation to different points of view is needed espeically when action must be taken." (referring to the Republican Congressmen placing party ideology over taking action).

Now pork, I know the accusations. I don't like pork or want to see pork in any stimulus bill. Are the Democrats at fault?

 

[Peter Parka]

Well correct me if I'm wrong but what I can gather, they are outnumbered in congress. All they seem to be doing is delaying the inevitable, pretty pointless really.

 

[Alien Allen]

They reps have every right to be an opposing voice. But hey lost all credibility after the Bush years though.

This bailout is loaded with pork. It is laughable that Obama said last night there was none in it.

What is not stimulus is green it appears. This is supposed to stimulate the economy for a recovery now. Not to do R&D or other things that will effect or cut costs for the future years down the road.

Of course the Democrats are at fault for the pork Minor. They bragged about it being their time now in control and they crafted the bailout with little if any republican input. I see the majority of the bailout as being a gift to those people and programs the democrats support.

Do you agree with Obama that only the govt can get us out of this recession?

 

[Minor Axis]

Of course the Democrats are at fault for the pork Minor. They bragged about it being their time now in control and they crafted the bailout with little if any republican input. I see the majority of the bailout as being a gift to those people and programs the democrats support.

Do you agree with Obama that only the govt can get us out of this recession?

I have yet to read what is in the bill and who gets what, as it is in a state of flux. You have a decent link?

Regarding your question what do you think? Corporate forces got us into this mess arguably with help from the government. There is no other entity other than the government that has the ability to control the situation effectively or ineffectively (your choice). In this case I see government as the possible answer. Other than letting the situation run it's course naturally , which economists think would be "bad", I see no other solution. If anything our situation is a clear result of eliminating restrictions put into place after the great depression.

 

[SgtSpike]

I have yet to read what is in the bill and who gets what, as it is in a state of flux. You have a decent link?

Regarding your question what do you think? Corporate forces got us into this mess arguably with help from the government. There is no other entity other than the government that has the ability to control the situation effectively or ineffectively (your choice). In this case I see government as the possible answer. Other than letting the situation run it's course naturally , which economists think would be "bad", I see no other solution. If anything our situation is a clear result of eliminating restrictions put into place after the great depression.

Bill Clinton helped us into this mess, with all his (and the other liberals) pushing to get minorities and poor people into homes they couldn't afford.

I say the solution is to just let the problem run its course. Financial companies will learn their lesson to severely limit their sub-prime lending in the future so it doesn't happen again, and eventually, we'll be out of this mess. It'll just take some time.

 

[dt3]

Based on what is happening today in Congress, which party would you say (if any) is more willing to compromise to get something accomplished in D.C.? Admittedly I'm partisan but I view the Republican's position as if "we don't get our way we won't play". I find it highly ironic that they, with the help of our former President orchestrated or at a minimum played a substantial part in the financial mess we are currently in but all of a sudden they found their "fiscal responsible" backbones. I have the feeling that if it is not tax cuts for corporations, they are not interested. If the Republican Party thinks they can kick and scream preventing progress, and are perceived that way, if they think the American public will reward them the next time around, they are sadly mistaken. Bottom line, compromise is essential.

Republican Senator Spector: (One of the 3 Republicans who voted for the Senate stimulus package, excerpts are paraphrased)
"Sometimes Party asks too much."
"Some are functioning under strict party philosophy." (when asked why only 3 Republican's voted for the Senate stimulus bill.)
"More accommodation to different points of view is needed espeically when action must be taken." (referring to the Republican Congressmen placing party ideology over taking action).

Now pork, I know the accusations. I don't like pork or want to see pork in any stimulus bill. Are the Democrats at fault?

If the Republican Party is opposed to the bailout, don't they have every right to vote against it? Isn't that what they're elected to do? They're under no obligation to do the Democrat's bidding just because the Democrats have a majority. At the same time, I think it's vile and reprehensible to vote one way simply because your party says to. I want my elected leaders to be responsible to the people they represent, not the party they're affiliated with.

 

[Accountable]

The repubs are setting up for the next election, nothing more. Most of that spending won't even have started by then, and they're gambling that the economy will still be shit. This way they can say 'we tried to stop them from wasting tax money. We're not responsible for this.'

It's no different than what the dems have done when they were minority. There's not a hair's difference between the parties in tactic or form. Fire them all and start over, I say.

 

[SgtSpike]

Fire them all and start over, I say.

Amen to that!

 

[Alien Allen]

If the Republican Party is opposed to the bailout, don't they have every right to vote against it? Isn't that what they're elected to do? They're under no obligation to do the Democrat's bidding just because the Democrats have a majority. At the same time, I think it's vile and reprehensible to vote one way simply because your party says to. I want my elected leaders to be responsible to the people they represent, not the party they're affiliated with.

The repubs are setting up for the next election, nothing more. Most of that spending won't even have started by then, and they're gambling that the economy will still be shit. This way they can say 'we tried to stop them from wasting tax money. We're not responsible for this.'

It's no different than what the dems have done when they were minority. There's not a hair's difference between the parties in tactic or form. Fire them all and start over, I say.

Amen to that!

vote em all out

both sides have party lackeys that have no conscience

 

[dt3]

vote em all out

both sides have party lackeys that have no conscience

That was how I voted this year. If they were in office, I voted for their opponent. Plain and simple. Didn't work, but at least I tried!

 

[Accountable]

That was how I voted this year. If they were in office, I voted for their opponent. Plain and simple. Didn't work, but at least I tried!

Me too! :nod:

 

[Peter Parka]

Bill Clinton helped us into this mess, with all his (and the other liberals) pushing to get minorities and poor people into homes they couldn't afford.

So it's all the fault of something which happened between 8 and 12 years ago. Sorry, dont really buy that at all.

 

[Accountable]

He said Clinton helped, not that it's all his fault.

 

[Alien Allen]

So it's all the fault of something which happened between 8 and 12 years ago. Sorry, dont really buy that at all.

A portion of it was put in motion back then.

There was pressure on the banks to lower the standards to qualify for mortgages. So they did that in addition to getting greedy and providing loans that preyed on idiots who had no business getting a loan.

The situation still is not over. There are adjustable mortgages that are going to be up for adjustment. If they do not find a way to control those then there will be another flood of foreclosures.

Plus now people who have little equity in their existing home are buying new bigger and better homes at the lower price while renting out the old home. Once they get the mortgage then they default on the first home.

This is far from over.

As to Minors comment about doing nothing which he thinks would be bad I am not sure if I agree at this point. There are some economists who feel the economy in the third quarter will start to recover. It all makes no sense to put one further in debt with a massive bailout. Particularly when so much of it is pork for the democrat pet projects and will not create an immediate stimulus. That is not saying the reps would do different. I am sure they would fund their pet projects to.

And I did not vote for any incumbent. I pretty much voted straight libertarian this time. I knew they would lose but if enough do the same then a message will be sent. These idiots in DC understand only one thing and that is to do what ever it takes to keep their cushy job.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

So it's all the fault of something which happened between 8 and 12 years ago. Sorry, dont really buy that at all.

Exactly, so let's step off the "We adopted this mess from Bush" bullshit too

Here's what pisses me off to no end, the endless complaints by the Dems about the defecit the Bush administration left this country in, and I would assume because th Liberals have no better ideas, sinking another 1.5 TRILLION dollars into a ship that has sunk, must be a better idea.

What I heard with my own two ears the other night from Obama, was more fear and blame.

I shiver no matter what part your from when you say "No plan is perfect, and there's a large margin for error in some of thses numbers"

Do any of you actually comprehend how much money a trillion dollars is? Is this really another gamble we want to take?

What if it doesn't work? I know it sounds good to say "Doing something is better than doing nothing at all" then backing that up with yet ANOTHER shot at the previous administration, but it's taxpayer dollars you are gambling with.

Obama will have all the votes he needs without Republicans, he just wants to be able to point out that they agreed with it if it fails in the future, and he wants to sling mud at them right now because Obama needs a reason to establish Republicans as not caring about the people.

Read the bill, all 650+ pages of it, and show me where 4 million fucking jobs is, I bet you cannot do it.

"We are going to put Americans back to work re-building our critical infrastructures, highways and bridges, levees and canals so we don't have another Katrina"

Wow, that sounded true blue American didn't it kids?

Why doesn't a reporter stand up and ask Obama about the bill he's trying to push through allowing 30 million illegal residents to stay here, wonder who's gonna get those "critical infrastructure jobs"

So what do we get? 4 years of blaming Bush with the "I adopted this mess" comments, 4 years of that elitist smirk that implies that we are all ignorant lost souls, and fat government handouts.

You know who's to blame? Republicans, cause not one of them had the balls to call out the crooked bastards that put us in this fucking hole, not one of them stood up and said "Fuck you Mr. Bush, this is fucking ignorant strategery".

So all the crybaby Republican senators have to eat crow now, cause they are all suspect

 

[Alien Allen]

Exactly, so let's step off the "We adopted this mess from Bush" bullshit too

Here's what pisses me off to no end, the endless complaints by the Dems about the defecit the Bush administration left this country in, and I would assume because th Liberals have no better ideas, sinking another 1.5 TRILLION dollars into a ship that has sunk, must be a better idea.

What I heard with my own two ears the other night from Obama, was more fear and blame.

I shiver no matter what part your from when you say "No plan is perfect, and there's a large margin for error in some of thses numbers"

Do any of you actually comprehend how much money a trillion dollars is? Is this really another gamble we want to take?

What if it doesn't work? I know it sounds good to say "Doing something is better than doing nothing at all" then backing that up with yet ANOTHER shot at the previous administration, but it's taxpayer dollars you are gambling with.

Obama will have all the votes he needs without Republicans, he just wants to be able to point out that they agreed with it if it fails in the future, and he wants to sling mud at them right now because Obama needs a reason to establish Republicans as not caring about the people.

Read the bill, all 650+ pages of it, and show me where 4 million fucking jobs is, I bet you cannot do it.

"We are going to put Americans back to work re-building our critical infrastructures, highways and bridges, levees and canals so we don't have another Katrina"

Wow, that sounded true blue American didn't it kids?

Why doesn't a reporter stand up and ask Obama about the bill he's trying to push through allowing 30 million illegal residents to stay here, wonder who's gonna get those "critical infrastructure jobs"

So what do we get? 4 years of blaming Bush with the "I adopted this mess" comments, 4 years of that elitist smirk that implies that we are all ignorant lost souls, and fat government handouts.

You know who's to blame? Republicans, cause not one of them had the balls to call out the crooked bastards that put us in this fucking hole, not one of them stood up and said "Fuck you Mr. Bush, this is fucking ignorant strategery".

So all the crybaby Republican senators have to eat crow now, cause they are all suspect

:clap:clap:clap :thumbup

 

[SgtSpike]

Exactly, so let's step off the "We adopted this mess from Bush" bullshit too

Here's what pisses me off to no end, the endless complaints by the Dems about the defecit the Bush administration left this country in, and I would assume because th Liberals have no better ideas, sinking another 1.5 TRILLION dollars into a ship that has sunk, must be a better idea.

What I heard with my own two ears the other night from Obama, was more fear and blame.

I shiver no matter what part your from when you say "No plan is perfect, and there's a large margin for error in some of thses numbers"

Do any of you actually comprehend how much money a trillion dollars is? Is this really another gamble we want to take?

What if it doesn't work? I know it sounds good to say "Doing something is better than doing nothing at all" then backing that up with yet ANOTHER shot at the previous administration, but it's taxpayer dollars you are gambling with.

Obama will have all the votes he needs without Republicans, he just wants to be able to point out that they agreed with it if it fails in the future, and he wants to sling mud at them right now because Obama needs a reason to establish Republicans as not caring about the people.

Read the bill, all 650+ pages of it, and show me where 4 million fucking jobs is, I bet you cannot do it.

"We are going to put Americans back to work re-building our critical infrastructures, highways and bridges, levees and canals so we don't have another Katrina"

Wow, that sounded true blue American didn't it kids?

Why doesn't a reporter stand up and ask Obama about the bill he's trying to push through allowing 30 million illegal residents to stay here, wonder who's gonna get those "critical infrastructure jobs"

So what do we get? 4 years of blaming Bush with the "I adopted this mess" comments, 4 years of that elitist smirk that implies that we are all ignorant lost souls, and fat government handouts.

You know who's to blame? Republicans, cause not one of them had the balls to call out the crooked bastards that put us in this fucking hole, not one of them stood up and said "Fuck you Mr. Bush, this is fucking ignorant strategery".

So all the crybaby Republican senators have to eat crow now, cause they are all suspect

Nicely put. :thumbup

I think that if we're going to spend a trillion bucks on something, we should take that trillion dollars, use part of it to deport all the illegals in the country (heck that'd create a lot of jobs right there!), and use the rest to finish securing the border, like it should have been done ages ago (more jobs!). Sound like a plan?

 

[Accountable]

And I did not vote for any incumbent. I pretty much voted straight libertarian this time. I knew they would lose but if enough do the same then a message will be sent.

Me too! :nod:

You know who's to blame? Republicans, cause not one of them had the balls to call out the crooked bastards that put us in this fucking hole, not one of them stood up and said "Fuck you Mr. Bush, this is fucking ignorant strategery".

So all the crybaby Republican senators have to eat crow now, cause they are all suspect

Except Ron Paul.

 

[Minor Axis]

Exactly, so let's step off the "We adopted this mess from Bush" bullshit too

I never pegged you as an apoligist and what about the buck stops here, no? Some forum participants love placing blame on Pres Clinton for the housing mess, but as the last Administration for the last 8 years, they did NOTHING to control a mounting crisis. It was "what ever you want boys, we are not going to stand in the way of business!" whether it be good, bad, or corrupt..

 

[Strauss]

Some forum participants love placing blame on Pres Clinton for the housing mess, but as the last Administration for the last 8 years, they did NOTHING to control a mounting crisis. It was "what ever you want boys, we are not going to stand in the way of business!" whether it be good, bad, or corrupt..

That would be a little less than accurate. In 2002 Bush attempted to introduce legislation to curtail FannieMae because of what the Administration called risky loans starting to dominate their loan portfolio. Barney Frank had a hissy fit done only the way Barney can do and got the bill killed in the House.